MrPedantic  +  73973 Mon, 14 Feb 05 11:41 PM The point you need to consider is that 'might' always exhibits a diminished possibility in its epistemic role. It is a separate verb from 'may', should, must, will, probably will, could, can, shall, ought to, etc. It carries a meaning that is different from all of them. Some of them share the same area of meaning but they all express something different. 1. Are you now calling 'probably will' a separate verb, JT? 2. Are you implying that if word A differs in meaning from word B, and both A and B are verbs, then A is a different verb from B – even if word A is identical to word B? MrP MrPedantic Joined on Tue, Oct 12 2004 Veteran Member 12,592 ...opella forensis / adducit febris... Verbs, Subjunctives

	just the truth  +  75265 Sun, 20 Feb 05 12:10 PM Mr P wrote: 1. Are you now calling 'probably will' a separate verb, JT? 2. Are you implying that if word A differs in meaning from word B, and both A and B are verbs, then A is a different verb from B – even if word A is identical to word B? 1. I don't recall where I said that 'probably will' is a separate verb. 2. Just after coming off a posting where you explained yourself sooooo well, Mr P, you fall back into this. Would you like to try again? just the truth Joined on Mon, Dec 27 2004 Regular Member 849 Verbs, Subjunctives

	CalifJim  +  75343 Sun, 20 Feb 05 10:24 PM I don't recall where I said that 'probably will' is a separate verb. Here's a reminder, JT: It is a separate verb from 'may', should, must, will, probably will, could, can, shall, ought to, etc. Slip of the pen? CalifJim Joined on Mon, Aug 2 2004 California Veteran Member 22,426 "There are no facts, only interpretations" - Nietzsche Verbs, Subjunctives

	MrPedantic  +  75381 Mon, 21 Feb 05 12:41 AM Well, if it helps, I'll try again: Are you implying that if word A differs in meaning from word B, and both A and B are verbs, then A is a different verb from B – even if word A is identical to word B? MrP MrPedantic Verbs, Subjunctives

	just the truth  +  75427 Mon, 21 Feb 05 05:32 AM CJ: Slip of the pen? JTT: Thanks Jim. No, I simply wasn't clear. Let me clear this up for you right now. The point you need to consider is that 'might' always exhibits a diminished possibility in its epistemic role. It CARRIES a separate MEANING from 'may', should, must, will, probably will, could, can, shall, ought to, etc. It carries a meaning that is different from all of them. Some of them share the same area of meaning but they all express something different. just the truth Subjunctives

	CalifJim  +  75440 Mon, 21 Feb 05 06:26 AM But why did you include "probably will" in the list, and not, for example, "usually can", or "certainly should"? How did adverbs get drawn into the discussion? You made it sound as if you had some point to make about "will" carrying a separate meaning from "probably will", which, while not untrue, seems beside the point. CalifJim Verbs, Subjunctives, Adverbs

	CalifJim  +  75574 Mon, 21 Feb 05 04:53 PM CalifJim

	MrPedantic  +  75586 Mon, 21 Feb 05 05:53 PM CJ, I too was baffled by the last comment. However, I fed it into Babelfish, converted it into NL, and then converted it back again. (This was the nearest I could get to Double Dutch.) Result: 'And the question to pleasure explained, is not said you, Jim?' A vast improvement, in my opinion. MrP MrPedantic Subjunctives