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Ant_222  #429085  Tue, 09 Oct 07 10:52 PM
Oh, that question mark is a typo... It should have been a full stop.

Does it make sense now?
  
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Kooyeen  #429094  Tue, 09 Oct 07 11:04 PM
Then if you're asking about these...

1. Suppose you were a woman, would you try to seduce him?

2. Suppose you are a woman, would you try to seduce him?


...the answer is that #1 is much better. In the second sentence there's a mixed conditional, but it's not the kind of mixed conditional that sounds too odd. Anyway, it depends on the general context. I would say the more you separate the clauses in #2, the more the sentence sounds good. Like:

Suppose you are a woman... ...would you try to seduce him?

In speech this is likely to happen, because speakers aren't always paying attention to the exact words they choose. The often change tenses...

Just my opinion, though Smile [:)]

  
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Ant_222  #429116  Tue, 09 Oct 07 11:46 PM
Ok. Let's introduce another change into the second sentence:

Suppose you are a woman, will you seduce him?

P.S.: And thanks for patience, Kooyeen.
  
CalifJim  #429144  Wed, 10 Oct 07 01:50 AM
... prefer?

1. Suppose you were a woman.  Would you try to seduce him?

2. Suppose you are a woman. Would you try to seduce him?
The first.

And the version with will is "awful"!  I would never say that.  Smile [:)]

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Marius Hancu  #429157  Wed, 10 Oct 07 02:27 AM
>Suppose you are a woman, will you seduce him?

Doesn't really work.

 Suppose introduces an assumption, will expresses a question about the definite willingness/intention to do something.

There's a contradiction in mood at work here, IMO. Not good. So, I agree with CJ.
  
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Ant_222  #429496  Wed, 10 Oct 07 11:46 PM
Marius: «Doesn't really work.»

I felt the same way, but was interested what Kooyeen didn't like in «Suppose you are a woman, would you try...».

«Suppose introduces an assumption, will expresses a question about the definite willingness/intention to do something.»

Maybe it _is_ incorrect, but I don't fully understand your explanation. Where is the contradiction? Supposed is one thing (being a woman), and another thing is the goal of a definite intention (seducing).

Rephrasing:«Suppose you are a woman. Would you have a definite intention to seduce him?» — Yes, it sounds terrible, but I am trying to show you the lack of contradictions.

Anyway, if it sounds wrong to you then it's probably wrong.

Thanks for so the patience-consuming conversation!
  
Kooyeen  #429521  Thu, 11 Oct 07 12:31 AM
 Ant_222 wrote:
Marius: «Doesn't really work.» I felt the same way, but was interested what Kooyeen didn't like in «Suppose you are a woman, would you try...».


It's not that I think it's awful, it's just that it's a mixed conditional. Mixed conditionals don't bother me at all, so I find that sentence acceptable. In speech no one would notice that, and it would be perfect... but if you write it, maybe you could  write it better, I think. I mean, there just a comma that separates "you are" from "would you".

Suppose you are a woman, would you try to seduce him?
Suppose you are a woman, you know, a beautiful woman... you know what I mean? Ok, now, would you try to seduce him?

Wink [;)]

Then much depends on the context. That "would" could be part of a different conditonal:
Suppose you are a woman, would you try to seduce him if he accepted blah blah blah...



  
Neeraj Jain  #429654  Thu, 11 Oct 07 09:09 AM
Can we conclude that suppose and imagine can be used interchangeably?
  
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Marius Hancu  #429683  Thu, 11 Oct 07 11:26 AM
They are not the same:

suppose: let's think that ..., let's make the assumption that ... . It's more logical.

imagine: let's create in our mind the image/scene that ... . It's more vivid.

  
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