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J4mes_bond25  +  200824 Sat, 25 Feb 06 06:09 PM

I wonder if there's anyone around who could enlighten me a little about the use of "Syllabic Consonant".

As far as I know it's usually syllabic N (as in button), syllabic M (as in bottom) & syllabic L (as in bottle) are the ONLY 3 syllabic consonant. Is there any other than I'm yet missing.

Additionally, what I really wonder is WHY does the syllabic N occurs in "button" (pronounced "but.n") but NOT in London (which is pronounced "lun.dan", as opposed to "lun.dn"). The same goes for Hampton & Wanton, for example. If name such as "Gordon" (pronounced "gor.dn") "Jordon" (pronounced "jor.dn") has syllabic "N" then why not names like "London", "Hampton" & "Wanton" ???

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Forbes  +  200840 Sat, 25 Feb 06 07:21 PM

I think you could add "r" in some varieties of English.

Whether a consonant is syllabic depends partly on the speaker and partly on the perception of the listener; some would analyse these syllables as containing a schwa vowel. I for one would say that there was no difference between "button" and "London", although my dictionary (Collins) agrees with you.

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Pgeorgieff  +  202240 Wed, 01 Mar 06 09:26 PM

Here is more information, that can help you.

A syllabic consonant is a consonant which either forms a syllable of its own, or is the nucleus of a syllable. The diacritic for this in the IPA is the under-stroke, < . >.

Examples from English are button , bottle , butter  (in dialects which pronounce final ar). In words such as church, the syllabic nucleus may be either a rhotic vowel, a diphtong, or a syllabic ar, depending on the dialect and speaker. Note that all of these consonants are sonorants.

The only time obstruents are used syllabically in English is in onomatopeia, such as sh!  (a command to be quiet), sss (the hiss of a snake), zzz (the sound of a bee buzzing or someone sleeping), and tsk tsk! (used to express disapproval or pity), though it's not certain how to define what a syllable is in such cases.

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CalifJim  +  211872 Sun, 02 Apr 06 08:28 AM
I don't know if American English is sufficiently close to British English to make this an accurate answer for you, but here's the answer about syllabic N in American English.  Hopefully, the two varieties of English are the same in this particular respect.

The syllabic N occurs in American English only when the following conditions apply:

1.  The syllable preceding the syllabic N is stressed; the syllabic N is unstressed.
2.  The preceding sound is t or d.
3.  The sound preceding the t or d is a (stressed) vowel OR a (stressed) vowel followed by an r.  (If we include all R-colored vowels within the set of "vowels", we need only say in this condition that a vowel precedes the t or d.)
So "Gordon", "Jordan", "garden", "Morton", "Martin", "Burton" all contain syllabic N. (The t or d is preceded by a vowel (R-colored) in each case.)
However, "wanton", "London", "Hampton", "Compton", and "Clinton" do not contain syllabic N because the t or d is not preceded by a vowel, but by "n" or "mp".

CJ


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Anonymous, 1 yr 182 days ago

James-

I think the differences all could be accounted for by dialect. In American English, I have been taught that the only syllabic consonants are l and n, but not m. all of the words above such as london and gordon could be pronounced with a syllabic consonant. The determinant for any sc is dialectal variations and how the region has chosen to address these types of words. Try traveling into another area and see how the people say the word. I bet you find that even though you are in the same country, speaking the same language, dialect (known to laymen as accent) will vary wildly.

Anonymous, 1 yr 6 days ago
Check this website:
http://www.wright.edu/cola/Dept/ENG/limouze/PHONISS.HTM
It's all about syllabic consonants. I found it while trying to find an answer to an intelligent student's question.
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