Manohonor  +  52519 Thu, 28 Oct 04 03:08 PM I heard some people pronouncing the words like TRY, TROUBLE, TRUE, DREAM, DRY and so on with CH sound - so that it sounds like CHRY, CHRUE, CHROUBLE etc and some people don't do that. Which pronounciation is more correct? What about the words AUSTRALIA, COUNTRY (AUSCHRALIA, COUNCHRY)? Thanks in advance. Manohonor Joined on Mon, May 17 2004 Russian Federation Full Member 163 Do your best

	Mister Micawber  +  52523 Thu, 28 Oct 04 03:12 PM Sounds like a speech defect to me, but I suppose I'll be berated by members from lands of other Englishes. Mister Micawber Joined on Wed, Aug 4 2004 Yokohama Veteran Member 30,840 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master-- that's all.'

	PoorRichard  +  52539 Thu, 28 Oct 04 03:46 PM Some UK natives use CH for T in these words. UK Radio DJs often play 'choons' (tunes). I haven't heard CH for D. Could it have been the -DG- sound in 'judge'? PoorRichard Joined on Tue, Oct 5 2004 Junior Member 66

	PoorRichard  +  52550 Thu, 28 Oct 04 04:21 PM In that case, yes - those who say CH for T in the UK will probably also say -DG- for D. You'd be most likely to hear it in London & the surrounding area. PoorRichard

	nona the brit  +  52555 Thu, 28 Oct 04 05:39 PM Yep, commonly heard round these here parts! nona the brit Joined on Wed, Sep 22 2004 England Veteran Member 11,713 The name says it all.

	CalifJim  +  52628 Fri, 29 Oct 04 07:53 AM Manohonor, These two phenomena are quite different. 1) 'T' before 'R' becoming 'CH' as in "country" > "counchry". This is a matter of increasing the usual strong aspiration of "t" in the "tr" combination to the point where aspirated "t" becomes "ch". Some children hear it this way as evidenced by some children's misspelling "chruck" for "truck". A related phenomenon is the (deplorable) tendency in American English to pronounce all "str" combinations as "shtr". In the past ten years this kind of pronunciation has been on the rise, especially lately, since the American president himself uses this sort of pronunciation. (He speaks, for example, of a SHTRong America, of a good Iraq SHTRategy, of the deSHTRuction of the Twin Towers, and so on.) 2) 'T' in initial 'TU' in British English becoming 'CH'. This is a matter of "glide absorption". The glide is the 'y' sound of the "long" U, as in "tune" pronounced "chune". This does not happen when the U is "short" as in "tunnel" -- unless the speaker really means "chunnel" (channel tunnel between France and England). Americans make the change when the "tu" is word internal (fortune), but not when initial. CalifJim Joined on Mon, Aug 2 2004 California Veteran Member 22,465 "There are no facts, only interpretations" - Nietzsche American English, British English, Spelling, Pronunciation