We have partnered with TradePub to bring you free industry magazines and resources - no coupons or credit cards required!

Visit: englishforums.tradepub.com


1 2
Share this topic:
RonB    909566 Sat, 18 Apr 09 03:31 AM

[nq:2]I'm guessing everyone has seen Susan Boyle on "Britain's Got ... enjoy this: [youtube:9lp0IWv8QZY] (Kind of melts away a little cynicism.)[/nq]
"Some time ago she recorded Cry Me a River for a charity CD that sold 1000 copies. You can hear it here: http://snipurl.com/g3p1y"

I heard it. What did you think of it? Completely different than her show tune.

RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
MC    909589 Sat, 18 Apr 09 03:58 AM

"Some time ago she recorded Cry Me a River for a charity CD that sold 1000 copies. You can hear it here: http://snipurl.com/g3p1y"

"I heard it. What did you think of it? Completely different than her show tune."

I thought it was pretty good. A bit stiff. Not jazzy enough. But I'm guessing she has had little or no training. and it wouldn't take much to get her to the professional level. What did you think?

"When in doubt, have a man come through a door with a gun in his hand." ‹ Raymond Chandler
MC
RonB    909590 Sat, 18 Apr 09 05:21 AM

"I heard it. What did you think of it? Completely different than her show tune."

"I thought it was pretty good. A bit stiff. Not jazzy enough. But I'm guessing she has had little or no training. and it wouldn't take much to get her to the professional level. What did you think?"

I had trouble believing it was her. I would never associate that particular voice with Susan Boyle even though I heard (and saw) her sing. I didn't/don't think that style would play to her strength and was kind of wondering if she was going to try something like that on the show.

Still, not that bad.

RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
Anonymous    910061 Tue, 21 Apr 09 11:31 AM

[nq:1]I'm guessing everyone has seen Susan Boyle on "Britain's Got Talent" but, if not, I think you'll enjoy this: [youtube:9lp0IWv8QZY] (Kind of melts away a little cynicism.)[/nq]
http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/2009/04/reality what a concept.html

And the cynicism grows right back.
Paulo Joe Jingy    910075 Tue, 21 Apr 09 04:15 PM

[nq:2]I'm guessing everyone has seen Susan Boyle on "Britain's Got ... enjoy this: [youtube:9lp0IWv8QZY] (Kind of melts away a little cynicism.)[/nq]
"http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/2009/04/reality what a concept.html And the cynicism grows right back."

The problem is, according to the opinion of the blog writer (as with many of the people on this newsgroup), is the implication that they went to extra-special measures with this woman, and of course the large helping of condescension: "You do know they do this sort of thing in show business, right".
To which I respond with a big "No ***!"
The point I've been making (without much success, apparently), and the point of this thread, is that this woman has a lot of talent.

The other crap the "slick packaging", the camera shots on the judges, the "hand-picked" crowd shots, "the swelling music" (which I thought was the music she was singing to), are part of the show for all the contestants.
Here's the thing not all the contestants get a huge reaction from the audience. Not all the contestants get fifty-million hits on YouTube. So obviously there's something else at play here. (At least it's obvious to me.)
That something else is a huge amount of talent. Once again if it was just a formula they would follow that same "formula" with each every contestant and have the the same result with each and every contestant.
And, personally, I think it's also condescending to assume that what the judges say has to be scripted. Think about it. They're paid (I assume) to have a reaction and make a "judgment". Why would that have to be scripted? They are professional entertainers, after all. And really if I could do it without a script I think professionals could.
I mean what are the possible reactions? "I like it." "I don't like it." "It's OK, but not great." And of course the franchise of the show is one or two of the judges are kinder than the other one. If someone stinks it up, one or two let them down easy, and the other makes sarcastic remarks.
That has to be scripted?
I don't think so.
RonB    910248 Tue, 21 Apr 09 10:23 PM

[nq:2]I'm guessing everyone has seen Susan Boyle on "Britain's Got ... enjoy this: [youtube:9lp0IWv8QZY] (Kind of melts away a little cynicism.)[/nq]
"http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/2009/04/reality what a concept.html And the cynicism grows right back."

Hasn't with me. At least not where Susan Boyle's performance is concerned. But I've got to admit that my cynicism about the cynics on this newsgroup has gone way up.
It just seems to be something about people here (and I guess in the world in general) that makes them want to tear down other people's accomplishments.
Oh well, while the smart-assed and smarmy (does not apply specifically to most here, I'm speaking of the Jon Stewart's of the world) get their chuckles and show off their "wit" at someone else's expense, I'll keep enjoying the story and the voice and enjoying the fact that my natural cynicism (at least) was suspended for a little while. (Me and 60 or 70 million others who *do* think there was something special about Susan Boyle's performance.)

RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
Paulo Joe Jingy    910346 Wed, 22 Apr 09 04:35 AM

[nq:1]I'm guessing everyone has seen Susan Boyle on "Britain's Got Talent" but, if not, I think you'll enjoy this: [youtube:9lp0IWv8QZY] (Kind of melts away a little cynicism.)[/nq]
It's amazing. I thought this was a simple case of an undiscovered, older, frumpy, lady with an amazing voice, who got her chance on a talent show.
Instead I find out it's all a vast conspiracy. Susan Boyle is not *really* talented (not "that" talented, anyway) and all the simpletons who thought she was, are deluded and/or hypnotized. These mouth- breathing yokels have never seen drama before and they're just too unsophisticated to spot a *scam* of this magnitude. Living in another age, in a place without movies or television (or even books of fiction) they have no way to tell the difference between what is real and what is make-believe. Poor, confused, milling masses of uncritical people!
Music is also something completely alien to all these persons of less than refined taste who grope, mindlessly at that magic picture box and wonder what all those *pretty* noises could be. Accustomed to grunts and squeals, these deprived imbeciles think they heard something rare and beautiful. Oh, if only they were complicated enough to realize that this woman's talent is not rare, it is common yes, all too common!
And, oh, how these people would rise up and destroy the vile seducers, these charlatans, who callously manipulate their every waking thought. If only for a moment they could see and see clearly, they'd destroy those who keep them in their mellow-dramatic shackles. But, alas, their intellect is far too low, the light of their *reason* (if reason it be) is far too dim. No this mob is destined to be led by the nose by these purveyors of the pusillanimous, who can make these morons dance, and grunt and "OO" and "Avv" on cue. The lot of these idiots is sealed poor bastards.
If they could somehow learn a healthy cynicism how much more fulfilled their tiny lives could be! With opposable thumbs they could reach out and grasp reality. Their existence would be so much happier if only they could be truly enlightened and therefore truly miserable, and know that "on every day, and in every way, they are being gamed".

But it's not to be they live in a fantasy world and are stupidly happy for Susan Boyle and for her accomplishment. Brainlessly they think she has talent. Mindlessly, they smile and they listen and they enjoy.
Pity them.
Betterduck    910347 Wed, 22 Apr 09 05:35 AM

"Pity them."

In the context of a forum solely dedicated to folks that want to write stories that play out infront of cameras and that people watch and become emotional over. Right?
Oranse
nmstevens    910357 Wed, 22 Apr 09 02:49 PM

[nq:2]I'm guessing everyone has seen Susan Boyle on "Britain's Got ... enjoy this: [youtube:9lp0IWv8QZY] (Kind of melts away a little cynicism.)[/nq]
"It's amazing.  I thought this was a simple case of an undiscovered, older, frumpy, lady with an amazing voice, who got her chance on a talent show. Instead I find out it's all a vast conspiracy.  Susan Boyle is not *really* talented (not "that" talented, anyway) and all the simpletons who thought she was, are deluded and/or hypnotized.  These mouth- breathing yokels have never seen drama before and they're just too unsophisticated to spot a *scam* of this magnitude.  Living in another age, in a place without movies or television (or even books of fiction) they have no way to tell the difference between what is real and what is make-believe.  Poor, confused, milling masses of uncritical people! Music is also something completely alien to all these persons of less than refined taste who grope, mindlessly at that magic picture box and wonder what all those *pretty* noises could be.  Accustomed to grunts and squeals, these deprived imbeciles think they heard something rare and beautiful.  Oh, if only they were complicated enough to realize that this woman's talent is not rare, it is common yes, all too common! And, oh, how these people would rise up and destroy the vile seducers, these charlatans, who callously manipulate their every waking thought. If only for a moment they could see and see clearly, they'd destroy those who keep them in their mellow-dramatic shackles. But, alas, their intellect is far too low, the light of their *reason* (if reason it be) is far too dim.  No this mob is destined to be led by the nose by these purveyors of the pusillanimous, who can make these morons dance, and grunt and "Oooo" and "Avvvvv" on cue.  The lot of these idiots is sealed poor bastards. If they could somehow learn a healthy cynicism how much more fulfilled their tiny lives could be!  With opposable thumbs they could reach out and grasp reality.  Their existence would be so much happier if only they could be truly enlightened and therefore truly miserable, and know that "on every day, and in every way, they are being gamed". But it's not to be they live in a fantasy world and are stupidly happy for Susan Boyle and for her accomplishment.  Brainlessly they think she has talent.  Mindlessly, they smile and they listen and they enjoy. Pity them."

Your whole contention seems to come down to the claim that this is all about Susan's talent and that what the world witnessed was simply a "raw event" just a woman who basically came in off the street and wowed everybody and the world was swept up in it and those of us who suggest that, in fact, no irrespective of her abilities, what we watched was "stage managed" to produce the emotional effect that we and the rest of the world experienced is somehow cynical.

I'm sorry to say that that simply doesn't reflect a realistic view of how these shows are put together. There certainly has to be a pre- auditioning process before these people get on stage in front of an audience of hundreds of people live and millions of people at home, whether it's implied differently or not.
First, they simply couldn't risk having a full-blown nut go on stage like that and harm themselves or others.
Second, there are actual rules involving who gets to go on and who doesn't and they have to confirm that the people who go on are really amateurs who don't have recording contracts, so they have go back and check.
Third, there has to have been a major winnowing down process. As with American Idol and all the others, they must start with thousands of contestants to get down to a relative handful that end up at this stage. They surely can't depend on chance alone to decide who gets picked to go on. There has to be a pre-auditioning process.

It may not be the on-stage judges who do it, but somebody does it. The producers do it. That means that the producers know who these people are. That means they know who the stand-out acts are likely to be. They know because they pick them.
So when sit down to decide who's going to go out first, second, third, fourth in a given evening or who's going to go out on night one, night two, night three they're not just picking names out of a hat. They are orchestrating the shows based on results that can easily be anticipated because they fully understand what the stand-out acts are likely to be and where they are going to come - because they put them where they want them to go.
How else in the world do you think it works?
As for Simon Cowell, you do realize that that whole "hostile" thing is a complete put-on? When they were first doing these shows, people would come in and audition and he'd just say, "Thank you, that won't do," and they'd leave and after awhile the producers said to him, "You know, Simon that's boring. It's not good television. You need to have some kind of personality. What if you really attack them, tear the *** out of them, be really insulting?"
"Oh, all right. If you think it'll make the show better."

And that's why he does it. It's show business. It's an act.

What he does is an act. What the other judges do is an act.

It's all show business.
NMS
1 2
© MediaCet Ltd. 2009, v5.0.3607.32596. All content posted by our users is a contribution to the public domain, this does not include imported usenet posts.*
For web related enquires please contact us on webmaster@mediacet.com, status updates are available at status.mediacet.com.
*Usenet post removal: Use 'X-No-Archive'. You may not have understood that your posts would end up in the public domain. Please send proof of the poster's email, we will remove immediately.