UC    641378 Tue, 19 Sep 06 05:39 PM "Oh really, why? "Broken Correct. So? That does not make "good English" a proper formulation." "Oh, Fer Chrisakes. 'Good English' gets 2,820,000 google hits. Why don't you bugger off and tell all those people they're wrong? DC" "Good English" implies that there are various kinds of English ("good English" and "bad English"), rather than various speakers of English whose skills vary. There is but one language named "English", just as there is but one "Michael Sellaroli". There is no "bad Michael Sellaroli" and no "good Michael Sellaroli". 'English', like "Michael Sellaroli" is a proper name. To say one speaks "broken English" says something about the speaker, not the language itself. "Broken English" is not "bad English", but English spoken in a halting, non-native way. UC Countries, United Kingdom, Great Britain, Languages

	Stephen Calder    824808 Tue, 19 Sep 06 09:09 PM ""Good English" implies that there are various kinds of English ("good English" and "bad English"), rather than various speakers of ... Sellaroli". There is no "bad Michael Sellaroli" and no "good Michael Sellaroli". 'English', like "Michael Sellaroli" is a proper name." You're absolutely right. Just as there is no such thing as "good food" or "bad food". It's either food or it's not, right? And there's no such thing as "good music" it's either music or it's not. I'm sure you agree. You're in complete isolation from the rest of the English-speaking world believing and spouting rubbish like this and misleading those who find this forum a valuable resource for learning English. "To say one speaks "broken English" says something about the speaker, not the language itself. "Broken English" is not "bad English", but English spoken in a halting, non-native way." Where is Purl Gurl? At least she was entertaining while dissemination misinformation. Stephen Lennox Head, Australia Stephen Calder Learning English, Students, Countries, United Kingdom, Great Britain, Teaching, Arts, Languages, Australia, Music

	UC    824809 Tue, 19 Sep 06 09:18 PM ""Good English" implies that there are various kinds of English ... Michael Sellaroli". 'English', like "Michael Sellaroli" is a proper name." "You're absolutely right. Just as there is no such thing as "good food" or "bad food". It's either food or it's not, right?" No, 'food' is not a proper name. Can't you read? "And there's no such thing as "good music" it's either music or it's not. I'm sure you agree. You're ... world believing and spouting rubbish like this and misleading those who find this forum a valuable resource for learning English." Well, since you missed the entirew point, I suppose the joke's on you. The point is that "ENGLISH IS A PROPER NOUN". Proper nouns represent things that are unique, and thus inacapable of being modified by adjectives of quality. Is there "good Washington Monument" or "bad Washington Monument"? Is there "good Leaning Tower of Pisa or "bad Leaning Tower of Pisa"? NO! OF COURSE NOT! Why don't you try to LEARN something sometime, before you open you big fat trap? UC Learning English, Nouns, Students, Countries, United Kingdom, Great Britain, United States, Adjectives, Teaching, Arts, Languages, Music

	Stephen Calder    824821 Tue, 19 Sep 06 09:58 PM Where do you get this stuff? You just make it up. English, as the name of a language, rather than a place or person, is an exception. A language is not like a person. You can't be skilful at John. You can be skilful at English. See the difference? "Is there "good Washington Monument" or "bad Washington Monument"? Is there "good Leaning Tower of Pisa or "bad Leaning Tower of Pisa"? NO! OF COURSE NOT! Why don't you try to LEARN something sometime, before you open you big fat trap?" You clearly have no idea. You're in complete isolation from the rest of the English-speaking world believing and spouting the rubbish you spew forth and misleading those who find this forum a valuable resource for learning English. That's good English I'm talking about, not the kind you propagate. Stephen Lennox Head, Australia Stephen Calder Learning English, Students, Speaking, Chat, Friendships, Countries, United Kingdom, Great Britain, United States, Teaching, Languages, Australia

	UC    824822 Tue, 19 Sep 06 10:05 PM "No, 'food' is not a proper name. Can't you read? ... and thus inacapable of being modified by adjectives of quality." "Where do you get this stuff? You just make it up. English, as the name of a language, rather than a place or person, is an exception. A language is not like a person." Are you on drugs? A proper name represents a UNIQUE thing. Unique things cannot be modiffied by adjectives of quality. It's patently obvious. "You can't be skilful at John. You can be skilful at English. See the difference?" No. You can be skillful at SPEAKING English. You cannot be skillful at English any more than you can be skillful at England. "Is there "good Washington Monument" or "bad Washington Monument"? Is ... LEARN something sometime, before you open you big fat trap?" "You clearly have no idea. You're in complete isolation from the rest of the English-speaking world believing and spouting the ... find this forum a valuable resource for learning English. That's good English I'm talking about, not the kind you propagate." You are a complete moron. UC Learning English, Speaking English, Students, Speaking, Chat, Friendships, Countries, United Kingdom, Great Britain, United States, Adjectives, Teaching, Languages

	Stephen Calder    824823 Tue, 19 Sep 06 10:18 PM "Are you on drugs? A proper name represents a UNIQUE thing. Unique things cannot be modiffied by adjectives of quality. It's patently obvious." To you and no one else in the known English speaking world. "You can't be skilful at John. You can be skilful at English. See the difference?" "No. You can be skillful at SPEAKING English. You cannot be skillful at English any more than you can be skillful at England." Rubbish. English speakers everywhere know what good English is and know you can be good at English just as you can be good at tennis. "You clearly have no idea. You're in complete isolation from ... good English I'm talking about, not the kind you propagate." "You are a complete moron." Since everything you say is wrong, I'm taking this as a compliment. I can't believe you're having fun unless you actually enjoy misinforming people and being castigated for it. You're in complete isolation from the rest of the English-speaking world believing and spouting the rubbish you spew forth and misleading those who find this forum a valuable resource for learning English. Stephen Lennox Head, Australia Stephen Calder Learning English, Speaking English, Students, Speaking, Chat, Friendships, Countries, United Kingdom, Great Britain, Adjectives, Teaching, Languages, Australia

	CDB    824844 Tue, 19 Sep 06 10:32 PM "Are you on drugs? A proper name represents a UNIQUE thing. Unique things cannot be modiffied by adjectives of quality. It's patently obvious." How about the good Tullia and the bad Tullia? Clue: one of them didn't drive the family car over her daddy. CDB Countries, United Kingdom, Great Britain, Adjectives, Teaching, Languages

	UC    824845 Tue, 19 Sep 06 10:32 PM "Are you on drugs? A proper name represents a UNIQUE thing. Unique things cannot be modiffied by adjectives of quality. It's patently obvious." "To you and no one else in the known English speaking world." It's "English-speaking world". Again, you show your ignorance. "No. You can be skillful at SPEAKING English. You cannot be skillful at English any more than you can be skillful at England." "Rubbish. English speakers everywhere know what good English is and know you can be good at English just as you can be good at tennis." Hopeless. You're absolutely hopeless. "You are a complete moron." "Since everything you say is wrong, I'm taking this as a compliment. I can't believe you're having fun unless you actually enjoy misinforming people and being castigated for it." I find people like you an obstacle to be overcome. You know nothing about a topic, and come here and spout drivel, which I must carefully correct. 'Good' or 'bad' refer to common nouns, or words that function as common nouns. The names of wines function as common nouns, provided you use them to mean something generic. Suppose yo buy a bottle of Barolo at the wine shop. 'Barolo' is a regulated name: wine bearing that name must come from a certain area and be made a certain way. It refers to wine made according to the regulations and from a delimited area. But 'Barolo' is not really a single thing, but a brand name. If you buy a bottle of Renato Ratti Barolo Marcenasco 2001, it becomes a proper name. There is no "good Renato Ratti Barolo Marcenasco 2001" or "bad Renato Ratti Barolo Marcenasco 2001", unless you mean a bad BOTTLE of that production run. The word 'English' functions like "Renato Ratti Barolo Marcenasco 2001", not like 'Barolo'. It is unique, and therefore incapable of being 'good' or 'bad'. http://ratti.dreyfusashby.com/Barolo.htm UC Nouns, Speaking English, Speaking, Chat, Friendships, Countries, United Kingdom, Great Britain, Adjectives, Teaching, Languages

	Stephen Calder    824846 Tue, 19 Sep 06 11:03 PM "I find people like you an obstacle to be overcome. You know nothing about a topic, and come here and spout drivel, which I must carefully correct." Such a joke. A perfect description of yourself. Constantly your misinformation is corrected by everyone else in the group. Stephen Lennox Head, Australia Stephen Calder Jokes, Countries, United Kingdom, Great Britain, Teaching, Languages, Australia