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Latest post Wed, Nov 1 2006 9:06 AM by Usenet. 168 replies.
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Anonymous
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Fri, 15 Sep 06 03:41 AM
Help the French to speak 'good' English (and vice versa...) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Message bilingue > Bilingual Message =AD=AD Experimental Project <> Projet pilote Membres / Members : plus de 800 / 800-plus \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ =AD=AD\ \ \ \ \ \ \ NOUVEAU FORUM BILINGUE D'ENTRAIDE ET D'AMITIE POUR L'APPRENTISSAGE ET LA PRATIQUE DES LANGUES NEW EXPERIMENTAL MUTUAL-AID BILINGUAL FORUM FOR LANGUAGE LEARNING & PRACTICE - ENSEIGNER LE FRAN=C7AIS, APPRENDRE L'ANGLAIS - TEACH ENGLISH, LEARN FRENCH
Rapid Language Learning: Read a FrenchEnglishTutor member's account of how he passed the TEF (Test d'Evaluation de Fran=E7ais) after learning French in just 10 months. http://mirror.mricon.com/french/french.html
Ce groupe est form=E9 de francophones et d'anglophones qui souhaitent am=E9liorer leur diction et leurs connaissances de la langue par la conversation. L'adh=E9sion est gratuite. Nous nous rencontrons dans dans ce forum d'entraide et d'amiti=E9 par E-mail, dans le salon de chat, par Messagerie instantan=E9e (Yahoo, MSN et Google Talk), par t=E9l=E9phonie, par Webcam, et par mail vocal. Libre =E0 toi de participer et de contribuer =E0 ce forum...comme tu veux. =AD=AD=AD Find penpals, correspondents and make NEW FRIENDS who will help you learn their language...and who would like to get to know you...and yours !! Make friends far and near .. (=2E.and by learning a language, help to fend off dementia ;;=3D))
Plus d'infos / More info : Go to / vas sur... http://minilien.com/?0GKhhjoLaV http://minilien.com/?x7xtYLwTdw \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ =AD=AD\ \ \ \ \ \ \ NEW FRIENDSHIP LANGUAGE LEARNING FORUM, BRIDGING CULTURES, LINKING CONTINENTS COME JOIN US !! Your Invitation: http://minilien.com/?EjskbPs7te (plus d'infos) C'est un yahoogroupe d'amiti=E9 cr=E9=E9 par des anglophones voulant se perfectionner en fran=E7ais, avec r=E9ciprocit=E9 pour les francophones voulant en anglais. Our new self-help mutual-aid tutorial yahoogroup for French speakers and English speakers at all levels, from beginner to fluent, and of all ages welcomes anyone willing to give help to others trying to learn their language...and willing to risk perhaps making a lifelong friend in the process ;-) HOW TO JOIN
Here is your invitation to join this new group; please join at the following site: JOIN ONLINE Voil=E0 ton invitation ~ tu peux t'inscrire =E0 ce nouveau groupe d'entraide sur le site suivant: =3D> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FrenchEnglishTutor/ JOIN BY E-MAIL Or join by sending a blank E-mail to: Ou tu peux t'inscrire en envoyeant un e-mail blanc =E0: =3D> FrenchEnglishTutor-SUBscribe (AT) yahoogroups.com Il faudra r=E9pondre =E0 la demande de CONFIRMATION d'inscription quand elle t'arrivera sous peu. Be sure to reply to the CONFIRM request. \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ =AD=AD\ \ \ \ \ \ \ French/English : Let's talk ~ Parlons !! o Let's meet in the chat room (invite other members to join you there) o Let's communicate by VoiceMail or instant messaging o LET'S CHAT further off-list by E-mail, Skype, PicoPhone, Instant messenger (Yahoo/MSN/Google talk), WEBCAM or in the chat room o BAVARDONS hors-liste par E-mail, Skype, PicoPhone, Messagerie instantan=E9e (Yahoo/MSN/Google talk), WEBCAM, ou dans le salon de chat T=E9l=E9chargement gratuit > Download free communication software: http://www.skype.com (EN)<> http://web.skype.com/download.fr.html (FR) http://web.tiscali.it/vitez/picophone.html (EN) downloads in 55 secs http://messenger.yahoo.com (EN) http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com (FR) http://messenger.msn.com (EN) http://messenger.msn.fr/ (FR) Google talk To download Google talk, go to: http://www.google.com/talk/start.html Or, http://tinylink.com/?c83zrMJJEF (copious google links) Helping one another learn the other's language: a new group with a novel approach. Find penpals, penfriends, correspondents and make NEW FRIENDS who will help you learn their language...and who would like to get to know you...and yours !! \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ =AD=AD\ \ \ \ \ \ \ YOUR INTRODUCTORY STATEMENT Read members personal statements sent to the whole group, at: =3D> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FrenchEnglishTutor/messages Send to the group your own persona introduction...write to fellow group members a little about yourself. Apr=E8s t'=EAtre inscrit, envoie au groupe quelques mots sur toi (nom, boulot, =E9tudes, passe-temps, ambitions, etc.) .=2E.comme tu veux. Libre =E0 toi d'=E9crire en deux langues. \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ =AD=AD\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ Wanna CHAT? Veux-tu CHATTER (par voix ou msg)? Go to / vas sur http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FrenchEnglishTutor/chat - Invite d'autres =E0 t'y rejoindre - Invite others to join you .=2E.. Let's TALK ~ PARLONS ! Members are encouraged to communicate directly by VoiceMail. On encourage nos membres =E0 communiquer entre eux par mail vocal. Download free VoiceMail software (ALL Windows systems), at: T=E9l=E9charge gratuitement le soft VoiceMail, sur: http://www.handybits.com/voicemail.htm (English) http://minilien.com/?db9vnR63rV (fran=E7ais) Required / Exigence : simple microphone or headset (casque) - Announce it to the group if you're seeking someone to chat with by voice or msg. - Fais-le savoir au groupe si tu cherches quelqu'un pour chatter par voix ou msg. \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ =AD=AD\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ Bienvevue !! Welcome !! The following are recent messages from group members: #1 I am a Cajun from Louisiana,USA.I have learn French from my parents. They were not educated ,and didn't read or write French,or English. We spoke only French at home.When most Cajuns my age started school,we could not speak any English.We only knew the French language we learned at home.We lived in the country, and had no TV, or radio. We had very little contact with the outside world.At the age of 6 in those days all Americans are sent too public schools.That wasthe law.I have never forgotten my French language.I am trying to learn to read it now.I would like some help.If you are willing to help me I would appreciate it so much. Merci! (Nouveau membre de FET (FrenchEnglishTutor)) .=2E.. #2 Bonjour, Je suis de la Nouvelle Orl=E9ans. Je d=E9man=E9gais de la Nouvelle Ol=E9ans en 1972 et je reprenais la belle langue en 1994 quand je travaillais en New York City. Journellemant je prenais le train de chez moi dans un petit village en Connecticut =E0 mon bureau =E0 Manhattan. Dans la tranquillit=E9 du wagon je lisais les grandes ouvrages fran=E7aises du XIX=E8 si=E8cle. Je commencais avec les contes par Guy de Maupassant; elles sont faciles et courtes. Je te conseille rechercher une livre de texte d'une bouquiniste et une bonne dictionnaire fran=E7aise, je me sers du Petit Robert. Y-a-t'il l'Alliance Fran=E7aise pr=E8s de chez toi? Il a fallu pour moi =E0 apprendre de nouveau les regl=E8s d'orthographe anglaises afin apprendre ceux du Fran=E7ais. (subjonctif, pass=E9 simple, imparfait, futur anterieur, etc.) Un boulot bien s=FBr mais pas impossible pour les t=EAtes grises comme nous sommes. (Membre de FET) #A Hello, I'm kind of self-studying the French language like most everyone here, and I have no one to check my work/progress. I'd like to know if there's anyone out there who has some free time to help me? alternatively, i'd like to ask the moderators if its ok for me to post some short translations/ exercises that I'm doing for group checking? You see it's embarrassingly lower level stuff and I'm concerned it might be inappropriate for advanced speakers in this group. (Nouveau membre de FET) .=2E.. #B Although I'm not a moderator, the posts I have seen over the months since I have joined the group indicate that people with all levels of competence in French or English, from the absolute beginner to the native speaker, are welcome to ask for help or support in learning the language they have not been brought up in. Many people have requested similar help and many others have responded with help and suggested corrections. It is one way to improve your skills in writing the language and translating. Post your efforts both in French and English, so that whoever responds can be clear about what you are attempting to write in the other language. There is no need to be embarrassed about anything, everyone has had to start somewhere. (Membre de FET) NOTE : Read members personal intro statements sent to the whole group, at: =3D> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FrenchEnglishTutor/messages \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ =AD=AD\ \ \ \ \ \ \ .=20 ( DESOLE...POUR ** TOUTES ** MES FAUTES DE GRAMMAIRE ;;=3D))
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UC
640931
Fri, 15 Sep 06 02:55 PM
"Help the French to speak 'good' English (and vice versa...)" No, that would be "well English". [nq:1]<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Message bilingue > Bilingual Message =AD=AD Experimental Project <> Projet pilote Membres / Members : ... \ \ \ \ \ \ French/English : Let's talk ~ Parlons !!
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John Briggs
640968
Fri, 15 Sep 06 05:45 PM
"Help the French to speak 'good' English (and vice versa...)" "No, that would be "well English"." Was that a joke? Or did you think that they should speak 'good' English well? John Briggs
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UC
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3 yr 72 days ago
"No, that would be "well English"." "Was that a joke? Or did you think that they should speak 'good' English well? John Briggs" Well, English...
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Einde O'Callaghan
641102
Sun, 17 Sep 06 05:38 AM
UC schrieb: "Help the French to speak 'good' English (and vice versa...)" "No, that would be "well English"." What?!?!? People speak (good English) or they (speak) English (well). Regards, Einde O'Callaghan
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Raymond S. Wise
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Sun, 17 Sep 06 07:39 AM
"UC schrieb:" "No, that would be "well English"." "What?!?!? People speak (good English) or they (speak) English (well). Regards, Einde O'Callaghan" Neither you nor John Briggs seem to have noticed the curious usage which prompted UC's reply: "'good' English," as if the poster was questioning his own choice of adjective. Otherwise, why the scare quotes? Raymond S. Wise Minneapolis, Minnesota USA E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com
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John Briggs
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Sun, 17 Sep 06 11:53 AM
"UC schrieb: What?!?!? People speak (good English) or they (speak) English (well). Regards, Einde O'Callaghan" "Neither you nor John Briggs seem to have noticed the curious usage which prompted UC's reply: "'good' English," as if the poster was questioning his own choice of adjective. Otherwise, why the scare quotes?" Why do you think I didn't notice it, and why do you think it is curious? John Briggs
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UC
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Sun, 17 Sep 06 06:39 PM
"UC schrieb: What?!?!? People speak (good English) or they (speak) English (well). Regards, Einde O'Callaghan" "Neither you nor John Briggs seem to have noticed the curious usage which prompted UC's reply: "'good' English," as if ... of adjective. Otherwise, why the scare quotes? Raymond S. Wise Minneapolis, Minnesota USA E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com" "Good English"? Nope. Sorry. No such thing. No adjective of quality can be used with 'English'. "Speak English well" or "Speak English properly" or "Speak English acceptably". But no such thing as "Speak good English" or "Speak bad English". Why? 'English' is a proper name, just like 'Michael' or "Pope Pius X". There is no "good Michael" or "bad Michael". There is no "good Pope Pius X" or "bad Pope Pius X".
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A. Gwilliam
641131
Sun, 17 Sep 06 06:41 PM
""Good English"? Nope. Sorry. No such thing. No adjective of quality can be used with 'English'." He cooks a good English. A. Gwilliam To e-mail me, replace "bottomless pit" with "devnull"
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