Need help, please tell me the truth.

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Jing_krub  #325255  Tue, 06 Feb 07 07:01 PM

Hello dear teachers;

I am an univerity student in Thailand, many friends of mine, including myself, are suffuring from English subjects. We are trying very hard to maintain a high GPA since we would like to graduate as honors, but now the situation seems quite serious because they say nobody could get A from this subject, this is a bias, isn't it?

The teachers who teach English here come from other Asian countries such as Burma, when they correct our answer, we often feel that our answers and ideas are not respected. None of us is native speaker, but they look pretty confident. So I would like to post my answers as well as her corrections here, please help me to check it. In my opinion, study is a process for pursueing the truth, rather than only the knowledge from teachers.

This is the first para of a Memo Report, my role is a professor. The original one is:

I have looked into the problem that Thailand gives Chinese tourists a bad impression. My recommendations based on the study by my university are provided to solve the problem.

The corrected one is:

I have looked into the problem why Thailand is giving Chinese tourists a bad impression. My recommendations are based on the studies by my university and some provided solution to the problems.

I can not argue with her. Please help me, thank you in advance.

Jing

  
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Lil' Ruby Rose  #325259  Tue, 06 Feb 07 07:15 PM

Hi Jing,

A more natural way of saying the first sentence would be "I have looked into the problem of Thailand giving Chinese tourists a bad impression". 

Your second sentence sounds a little clunky.  You have two ideas:  your recommendations are provided to solve the problem; and the recommendations are based on a study by your university.  Unless you truly have the one-and-only solution to the problem, it might be better to say you have 'a solution'.  Your teacher has tried to restructure your sentence to make the two parts more distinct, but unfortunately "and some provided solution to the problems" is incorrect.  You might say something along these lines:  "My recommendations, based on a study by my university [or 'based on studies' if there has been more than one study], offer some solutions to the problem".

  
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Ant_222  #325262  Tue, 06 Feb 07 07:20 PM
My (probably incorrect) opinion:

"problem that" is OK.

"gives" is ok as well as "giving"

"My recommendations based on" — OK

"...on the study by my university" — if you mean a single previously mentioned research, then it's ok. Otherwise you could say:
"on a study by my university" or
"on studies (researches) (conducted) by my university"

"My recommendations ... are provided to solve the problem." — Structure is OK.

Your teacher's version is also ok (EDIT: except for " and some _of them_ provided") though it has a different structure.
  
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Jing_krub  #325263  Tue, 06 Feb 07 07:20 PM

Hi Lil' Ruby Rose,

Thank you for your detailed response, it will help my a lot in the next quiz.

  
Jing_krub  #325266  Tue, 06 Feb 07 07:24 PM

Hi Ant_222,

Thank you for your reply, I really hope my teachers could discuss with us in the way that you do.

  
Anonymous  #325304  Tue, 06 Feb 07 09:11 PM
Glad to hear that!

The problem is, I am afraid, that your teacher thinks of their English better than it is whereas I try to be objective... Just an assumption.

P.S.: «...many friends of mine, including myself...» — well said!
  
Dawnstorm  #325355  Tue, 06 Feb 07 11:19 PM
Hi. I'm neither a native speaker, nor a teacher, but I'll respond anyway. I hope you don't mind.

There have been good posts already, so I'll just say a few things:

1. I'd say your teacher is trying to improve your style, not your grammar. I hope she agrees.

2. "gives" vs. "is giving". You say "gives". This makes it a statement of fact. She says "is giving", which makes it the statement of a process. Stylistically, I would agree with your teacher, here. I like "is giving" better, because emphasising the process over the fact implies that you're interested in solving the problem. ("Thailand's giving Chinese tourists a bad impression now, but it won't forever. We're working on the problem.") But, this is a personal preference and I would never change it without explaining why.

3. I think that your teacher changed the meaning of the second sentence.

Information in your sentence:

a) You have made recommendations.

b) They are based on a specific study (mentioned before in the text) by your university.

c) You have provided the recommendations (all of them) with the intention to solve the problems.

Information in your teacher's sentence:

a) You have made recommendations. (Same)

b) They are based on multiple, unspecific studies by your university (two differences: single vs. multiple; specific vs. unspecific)

c) Some of the recommendations provide solutions to the problem (three differences: (1) no longer are all solutions referred to; (2) you are talking about yourself [specifically, your reasons for providing the recommendations; although you delete yourself from the sentence by using the passive voice "the recommendations are provided by me"], while your teacher talks about the recommendations ["the recommendations provide solutions"] (3) you imply that your recommendations may or may not provide solutions in the future, while your teacher says that some of your recommendations already provided solutions (i.e. they were tried out and they worked) (Notice, how Ruby used present tense, here? ("offer solutions" not "offered solutions")

To me, the two sentences have different meaning. Your teacher's sentence isn't really a version of your sentence; it says something slightly different.

  
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