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nona the brit  #209964  Mon, 27 Mar 06 08:49 AM
It is not acceptable in British English either.
  
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paco2004  #209969  Mon, 27 Mar 06 09:09 AM
I once read a headline "Brad Pitt is arrived in Tokyo!" in some newspaper.
Here is another example from a UK site : "Robin Hood is arrived in Nottingham disguised as Sir Angus of the Prune for the archery contest".

Actually "a person is arrived" is not idiomatic in current English, but "a thing is arrived at" is idiomatic even in current English: "Math test will require written explanations of how answers are arrived at" (NYTimes)

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Goodman  #210127  Mon, 27 Mar 06 07:47 PM

No disrespect intended, but from time to time we will find errors like this in English publications in Asian countries. Don’t be surprised to run into awkward sentences and construct in Hong Kong’s English newspapers either.  We can use “be arrived’ as passive voice in reference to “decisions” and “conclusions”.  But for people, it’s wrong in my opinion.   

 

  
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paco2004  #210133  Mon, 27 Mar 06 08:44 PM

How do you parse "arrived" in "You were a newly arrived immigrant some decades ago"?  Is it an error of the kind you often find in English publications from Asian countries?

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Goodman  #210139  Mon, 27 Mar 06 09:49 PM

I don’t believe this is the parallel construct to the question we have been discussing.

“You were a newly- arrived immigrant some decades ago”.  Although “were arrived” were used in your sentence but the context is different.  That said,  I believe “newly” should be connected to “arrived” with a hyphen which will make it an adverbial adjective, rather than a past participle of a verb. Don’t you agree?

  
paco2004  #210142  Mon, 27 Mar 06 10:25 PM

I've never seen the hyphenated form "newly-arrived". Is it a word belonging to Hong Kong's English?

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paco2004  #210144  Mon, 27 Mar 06 10:38 PM
 Goodman wrote:
No disrespect intended, but from time to time we will find errors like this in English publications in Asian countries. Don’t be surprised to run into awkward sentences and construct in Hong Kong’s English newspapers either.  We can use “be arrived’ as passive voice in reference to “decisions” and “conclusions”.  But for people, it’s wrong in my opinion.   
If "The decisions are arrived" were a pssive construct, we could say "they arrive/arrived the decisions". I have never seen such an active sentence using "arrive" as a transitive verb.

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nona the brit  #210151  Mon, 27 Mar 06 11:44 PM

1) Newly-arrived - yes this would normally be hyphenated and is quite a common phrase.

'They arrived at the decision' not 'they are arrived the decision'. Same thing as not finding 'He is arrived' acceptable.

I wonder if this error stems from a mishearing of He has arrived - this would normally be pronounced He's arrived - which now I'm sitting here saying it does actually sound exactly like 'He is arrived'. You get the same effect with she's (she has) arrived and it's (it has) arrived.  In addition, people seeing it's/he's/she's might be assuming that it is a contraction of is instead of has.

  
Goodman  #210159  Tue, 28 Mar 06 12:05 AM

Mr. Paco,

If your smart “reference” is aimed at my explanations, it’s quite alright. Whether “newly arrived”, as you had used it in your sentence, is hyphenated or otherwise, it’s still stands as an adjective modified by “newly” which is an adverb.  If you have not seen it used in this context, I think it’s time to start. I have a few references for you as follows:

[link]- In the 3rd paragraph it went on......

Decisions of the Board in any of these cases cannot be overturned on the authority of any other individual or Committee. However, the Dean of the Graduate Research School or the Research Higher Degree Appeals Committee may, respectively, request or require the Board to take appropriate steps to reconsider any decision if they have any reason to doubt that the decision was arrived at by a fair process.

ssa-Section 23

"decision" has the same meaning as in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal Act 1975; ... (aa) a carer payment newly arrived resident's waiting period under ...

[link]decision-is-arrived-upon.html

Trigger Efficiency

... the readout starts, getting aborted if a reject decision is arrived at. Also, trigger algorithms are never fully efficient in the sense of a) above, ...
www.cern.ch/RD11/rkb/PH14pp/node196.html - 6k - Cached - Similar pages

  
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