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Anonymous  #211690  Sat, 01 Apr 06 04:13 PM

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pieanne  #211694  Sat, 01 Apr 06 04:29 PM

You may be talking about the "prehensile" mode? But then, if you use "drop", it's no longer in the prehensile mode, since you don't have the object in your hand anymore

I can't answer your other questions, sorry

  
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MrPedantic  #211695  Sat, 01 Apr 06 04:31 PM

Hello Anon

The "subject complement" is a word or phrase that tells us more about the subject, e.g.

1. MrQ is a very strange fellow.

2. Juventus are top of the Italian football league.

The underlined portion tells us more about MrQ in the first example, and Juventus in the second.

Your examples aren't subject complements – they're statements (in the declarative mood). You could call the underlined portion a predicate, however, e.g. in your first sentence:

3. John bought the tickets.

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MrPedantic  #211697  Sat, 01 Apr 06 04:34 PM

Sorry, Pieanne, I didn't see you there!

I'm not sure "prehensile" is the correct term – though I have heard "prehensive", for statements or ejaculations suggesting "sudden realisation".

Is that what you were thinking of?

MrP

  
pieanne  #211698  Sat, 01 Apr 06 04:35 PM

Yes, but once he dropped the tickets, it can't be the prehensile mood anymore, can it?

  
pieanne  #211700  Sat, 01 Apr 06 04:44 PM

Oh, sorry for my mistake, MrP. "Prehensive", of course ...

Yes, that's about what I was thinking of, but a statement expressing "sudden realisation", such as "MrQ is a very strange fellow" can hardly be "prehensive", can it? Or can you feel it at all?

  
MrPedantic  #211711  Sat, 01 Apr 06 05:10 PM

Actually, I think #1 can be prehensive.

MrP sees MrQ in his front garden at midnight. MrQ is digging a large hole. "I always thought that MrQ was the epitome of normality," thinks MrP. "But now I realise that he's a very strange fellow indeed."

I'd call that the "prehensive" mood. But I can't think of a prehensive context for #2.

MrP

  
MrPedantic  #211713  Sat, 01 Apr 06 05:14 PM
There's some more about it here:The Prehensive Mood.

MrP

  
pieanne  #211720  Sat, 01 Apr 06 05:25 PM

Thank you for the link.

I can see what you mean about #1. But if MrQ is the epitome of normality in the eyes of MrP, how can that digging be classified under the" prehensive mood"? His mood must have been elsewhere?

On the other hand, if the ball was well played by the football team, then the epitomy (does that word exist?) can be taken into account, and would justify the prehensive mood. (But was the ball well played? We'd need some context, I think...)

  
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