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Ant_222  #433203  Sun, 21 Oct 07 10:22 PM
Hao Thai:
"Now could you please do the same for past perfect,  present
perfect, future perfect, and  their  associated  progressive
cousins?"
Ok, but that'll take some time.

                  PAST PERFECT PROGRESSIVE
Yesterday at 9:30 I had been eating for 5 minutes.
        |<----------------->|
        |   I am eating     |
        |                   |
        |<--->|             |
        |5 min|             |
   -+---+-----+-------------+------+-----------|----->
    | 9:25  9:30           9:53    |          NOW
    |                              |
    |<---------------------------->|<--------------...
    |      Yesterday               |     Today
Only a 5-minute part  of  the  action  os  to  left  of  the
reference point (9:30). The other 23-minute part  was  still
in the future.
I hope I'll be able to draw a similar  timeline  for  Future
Perfect Progressive yourself...

                        PAST PERFECT
Yesterday at 10:00 I had finished my breakfast
        |<--------------->|
        |   I am eating   |
        |                 |
   -+---+-----------------+---+----+-----------|----->
    | 9:25             9:53  10:00 |          NOW
    |                              |
    |<---------------------------->|<--------------...
    |      Yesterday               |     Today
You see, the whole action is to the left  of  the  reference
point (10:00). In other wods, The action of eating  _was  in
the past at 10:00.
Try to draw a diagram for Future Perfect yourself.

                PRESENT PERFECT PROGRESSIVE
It has been raining since morning
       Morning        Day        Evening   Night
     |<------->|<------------->|<------->|<----->|
     |         |               |         | 21:09 |
   --+------+--+---------------+--|------+---+---+--->
      (7:41)|                    NOW         |
            |                                |
            |<------------------------------>|
                         Raining
The reference point here is NOW (the moment of speech).
You can say "It raining now", but not "It is  raining  since
morming" because you refer to a perfect (=complete) part  os
an on-going action. The complete part is its  past  part  --
from 7:41 to NOW; and the action is not finished because  it
has a future part -- from NOW to 21:09.
| By saying "it is raining" you don't  refer  to  a  certain
| part of the action, you just say that  the  NOW  point  is
| "inside" the action of raining.
|
| Accordingly, Past Simple places NOW to the  right  of  the
| whole action (to the right of its end), and Future  Simple
| locates the whole action (its beginning) to the  right  of
| NOW.

                       PRESENT PEFECT
When one wants to express a  though  about  a  state,  not  a
process, they shouln't youse a Progressive tense:
We have been friends since 1992.
The diagram for this sentence is exactly the same as for the
previous example, but the tense is different. So,  the  only
way to understand it is  to  grasp  the  difference  between
states and action.
Another state: to be a student:
I have been a student since 2002.
In 2004 I had been a student for 2 years.
In 2008 I will have been a student for 6 years.
            ANOTHER FUNCTION OF PRESENT PERFECT
In addition to the above, this tense is also used  to  refer
to past actions (located to the left of NOW) which  have  an
actual present result or are somehow important.
For example:
"Will you go to the theater with us?"
"No, I can't. I have taken ill"
The event of taking ill is in te past,  though  the  guy  is
still sick (actual result of taking ill). And it  is  really
important, because it is the  reason  he  can't  go  to  the
theater.
"Why everybody thinks (Present Simple -- a state -- to  have
an opinion, as apposed to the  process  of  thinking,  which
creates an  opinion)  that  Frankenstein  is  the  monster's
name???"
"Don't know (again a state, to  know  ot  not  to  know,  as
opposedto the process or acquiring knowledge).  Most  of  us
haven't read the book..."
The action of reading the book is important as  regards  the
knowneldge that the reader receives. The  important  present
result is that those who have not read the it don't know who
bears the name of Frankenstein.
Did it help?
P.S.: Next time don't quote large posts entirely without  an
      apparent need.
  
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Hoa Thai  #433243  Mon, 22 Oct 07 02:18 AM
Dear Ant_222,

Wow! I did not expect to get such a time-consuming effort (not only the timeline graphs but also the explanation). Please accept my heartfelt appreciation.

Hoa Thai

  
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Best Regards - Hoa Thai
Ant_222  #433448  Mon, 22 Oct 07 04:27 PM
Hoa Thai:

«Wow! I did not expect to get such a time-consuming effort (not only the timeline graphs but also the explanation). Please accept my heartfelt appreciation.»

Thanks!
Have you understood anything?
  
CalifJim  #433528  Mon, 22 Oct 07 07:16 PM
Here's how the tenses are related to one another on a time line.
The top line is for "present point of view" tenses.
The bottom line is for "past point of view" tenses.
The first diagram of the two shows the tense names.
The second diagram shows examples using the verb do.
_______

Present Perfect---------Present------Future1 (of the Present)---
                                      /    Future1 Perfect (of Pres) /
                                     /
Past Perfect-----------Past---------Future2 (of the Past)---
                                     Future2 Perfect (of Past) /
______

has done----------does-----------will do---
                             /  will have done /
                            /
had done---------did--------would do---
                        would have done /

CJ
  
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