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Anonymous  #527472  Sun, 15 Jun 08 05:54 AM
Hi,
Please check these.
Uses of phrase "found out":
 (the city is going to raise taxes and the action of raising taxes hasn't iniitated.)
 1) I found out that the city is going to/will/is planning to raise taxes.
I don't see much difference with this:
I found out that the city would raise taxes.

(It's news that my friend is going to get married and he hasn't married.)
2) I found out my friend is going to/will/is planning to get married. 
I don't see much difference with this:
I found out my friend would get married.

Use of word "said":
3) My friend said that the city will/ is going to raise taxes.
I  see a difference with this and the sentence  below seems to be OKbut not as good as the above sentence Why? Is that because raising taxes is still in a planning stage and has not been instituted?
My friend said that the city would raise taxes.
4) My friend said the city will/is going to raise taxes after July 7th.
My friend said that the city would be raising taxes after the date of July 7th.??  -- how would you rewrite this with shifting-back the tense when a future date is involved.
  
Doll  #527561  Sun, 15 Jun 08 11:54 AM

My try: 

Uses of phrase "found out":
 (the city is going to raise taxes and the action of raising taxes hasn't iniitated.)
 1) I found out that the city is going to/will/is planning to raise taxes.
I don't see much difference with this:
I found out that the city would will raise taxes.   The choice of tenses here depends on the meaning you want to give us. If you mean that there is a more planning in this situation, "going to or planning to " can be used. But I prefer "will" with find out because "will" means something more immeadiate or something decided or learned at the time of speaking.

(It's news that my friend is going to get married and he hasn't married.)
2) I found out my friend is going to/will/is planning to get married. 
I don't see much difference with this:
I found out my friend would will get married.  Hmm, here you know that he is going to get married. You have an initial informationa bout this so planning to or going to will be more proper.

Use of word "said":
3) My friend said that the city will/ is going to raise taxes.
I  see a difference with this and the sentence  below seems to be OKbut not as good as the above sentence Why? Is that because raising taxes is still in a planning stage and has not been instituted?
My friend said that the city would raise taxes. I would say that this sentence is wrong. "said that, found out that" is a past tense in form but their meanings is relarted with present events so you shouldn't use a past tense if you are talking about a present event. The difference between will and going to is simply can be explanied as I told you before. If you want a detailed information, search them in the search box above. You will find threads discussing it. 
4) My friend said the city will/is going to raise taxes after July 7th.
My friend said that the city would be raising taxes after the date of July 7th.??  -- how would you rewrite this with shifting-back the tense when a future date is involved.  

Hmm, it is simple. Changing the tenses will help you.  My friend said that the city was going to/would raise taxes after July 7th. (Reported speech) You report the news to your friend so there is nothing wrong with tense change.

  
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Anonymous  #527825  Sun, 15 Jun 08 10:32 PM
Thank you, Doll, for your help.

Is there a contracdiction in your answers?
YOUR RESPONSE:

My friend said that the city would raise taxes. I would say that this sentence is wrong... 

AND THIS:
4) My friend said the city will/is going to raise taxes after July 7th.
My friend said that the city would be raising taxes after the date of July 7th.??  -- how would you rewrite this with shifting-back the tense when a future date is involved.  

Hmm, it is simple. Changing the tenses will help you.  My friend said that the city was going to/would raise taxes after July 7th. (Reported speech) You report the news to your friend so there is nothing wrong with tense change.

  
Doll  #527835  Sun, 15 Jun 08 11:03 PM

Oh I think there is a problem with making our points clear. I thought you are asking us how to make a choice between "will" and "going to" in your first examples because you didn't mention about backshifting. I just thought that you are asking reported speech only for 4.

  
CalifJim  #527920  Mon, 16 Jun 08 04:45 AM
These are all fine (with or without the parenthesized phrase): 

[I found out / My friend said] that the city [is going to / is planning to / intends to / was going to / was planning to / intended to] raise taxes (after July 7th).

[I found out / My friend said] that the city [will / would] be raising taxes (after July 7th).

(was is the backshift of is; would is the backshift of will.) 

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Anonymous  #527957  Mon, 16 Jun 08 07:13 AM
Thank you. Would this be good as reported speech?

John: "I will raise taxes (on July 6th)."

Reported Speech:
1. John said that he will raise taxes (on July 6th)??
2. Johh said that he would raise taxes (on July 6th)??
3. John said that he would be raising taxes (on July 6th)??
I think no. 2 is the correct choice but am not sure it is correct.
  
CalifJim  #527977  Mon, 16 Jun 08 08:17 AM
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1. John said that he will raise taxes (on July 6th)??
2. Johh said that he would raise taxes (on July 6th)??
3. John said that he would be raising taxes (on July 6th)??
The second is the most usual way of reporting what John said, and it's probably the answer a teacher would be looking for in an academic class in English, but the other two are possible variants.  All are grammatically correct.

CJ 

  
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