Tenses in reported speech

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maj  #22506  Sun, 15 Feb 04 06:36 PM
Wow,Burb, I must say that is a brilliant idea. You know students love songs.
  
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rommie  #22561  Mon, 16 Feb 04 10:07 AM
Responding to Bubr's original post.

It is CORRECT to say: The professor told us that mathematics ISN'T easy (present tense).
This is because it is a construction called a "known truth", that is, a statement which is assumed to be true for all time. Other examples might be: I told him that cats like milk.

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Bubr  #22565  Mon, 16 Feb 04 10:31 AM
You are great, rommie!
  
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rommie  #22566  Mon, 16 Feb 04 10:44 AM
Cheers - but, just to confuse the issue, it is ALSO correct to say The professor told us that mathematics WASN'T easy.

It all depends on whether you count "mathematics isn't easy" as a "known truth", or simply as a statement that was the professor said was true. It's up to you, the speaker, to choose which of the two you prefer. Your choice will put a "spin" on the sentence, coloring it with your world view.

Personally, I would have said "...WASN'T easy" - not because the other version is wrong, but because I wouldn't classify this as a "known truth". This is because I happen to believe that mathematics IS easy, and consequently, the statement "mathematics isn't easy" cannot possibly (in my view) be a KNOWN truth, because it isn't even a TRUTH. The point that I'm trying to make here is that that would be my particular spin. Both versions are correct, but they have subtly different implications regarding the world-view of the speaker.

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maj  #22570  Mon, 16 Feb 04 10:56 AM
I don't know much about history, I don't much about geography, I don't know much about the French I took, I do know that I love you and if you love me too what a wonderful world this would be.

Although true, this version might have subtly different implications regarding the world-view of the speaker

Remember that you can use the simple present to refer to general truths.

-The earth rotates.
-Water boils at 100c.
  
rommie  #22576  Mon, 16 Feb 04 11:31 AM
Indeed.

This is best exemplified by example. Compare:

1. The wise one told me that freedom IS worth fighting for.
2. The old fool told me that freedom WAS worth fighting for.

The difference between 1 and 2 is entirely a difference in spin. The speaker of sentence 1 believes the words of the "wise one". The speaker of sentence 2 does not.

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Anonymous  #302125  Sat, 09 Dec 06 12:36 PM

I would like some exercises on Reported Spaech as i am studying it

It would be of much help to me

Thanks

  
Marius Hancu  #302134  Sat, 09 Dec 06 01:15 PM
See my quotations from Jespersen (the famous grammarian) in this thread:
Indirect speech - backshift of tense
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lots of good examples there

  
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