Mfholic  +  210899 Thu, 30 Mar 06 04:55 AM A sentence from <Dune> A beginning is the time for taking the most delicate care that the balances are correct. that = so that? Mfholic Joined on Tue, Feb 28 2006 Junior Member 71

	paco2004  +  210911 Thu, 30 Mar 06 05:38 AM  Mfholic wrote: A beginning is the time for taking the most delicate care that the balances are correct. that = so that? "Take care that" is a special collocation. (EX) Take care that you don't break the eggs.         = Take care not to break the eggs. "Take care so that you don't break the eggs" is rather wrong. paco   paco2004 Joined on Wed, Nov 17 2004 Senior Member 4,095 In Japan today even dogs are learning how to bow-wow in English.

	Welkins2139  +  210934 Thu, 30 Mar 06 06:55 AM "so that"  is used to express purpose. A beginning is the time for taking the most delicate care so that the balances are correct. this setence seems all right to me. Welkins2139 Joined on Sun, Oct 9 2005 Full Member 414 Determination, Dedication and Devotion!

	CalifJim  +  210948 Thu, 30 Mar 06 07:44 AM I'm inclined to think that, historically, take care so that may have been the original form, and take care that grew out of it.  Is there any evidence to show this? Still, take care so that seems to say be careful for the purpose of ... or be careful in order to ..., while take care that seems to say be careful about ....  In other words, the first seems to focus on the reason for being careful, and the second seems to focus on the subject matter of the care. CJ CalifJim Joined on Mon, Aug 2 2004 California Veteran Member 22,415 "There are no facts, only interpretations" - Nietzsche

	paco2004  +  210959 Thu, 30 Mar 06 08:19 AM  CalifJim wrote: I'm inclined to think that, historically, take care so that may have been the original form, and take care that grew out of it.  Is there any evidence to show this? Still, take care so that seems to say be careful for the purpose of ... or be careful in order to ..., while take care that seems to say be careful about ....  In other words, the first seems to focus on the reason for being careful, and the second seems to focus on the subject matter of the care. Hello CJ I checked the numbers of quotes using "take/took care that" and "take/took care so that" in OED. It gives some 80 quotes for the former but none for the latter. I feel the "that" clause is not an adverbial clause modifying "take care" but an adjectival clause  modifying "care". paco paco2004 Clauses

	CalifJim  +  210960 Thu, 30 Mar 06 08:24 AM Thanks, Paco! We can always count on you to have the relevant research at your fingertips! (I can see the "that" clause as adjectival as well.) CJ CalifJim Clauses

	paco2004  +  210961 Thu, 30 Mar 06 08:27 AM  CalifJim wrote: Thanks, Paco! We can always count on you to have the relevant research at your fingertips! (I can see the "that" clause as adjectival as well.) CJ De nada. Soy siempre nada y nada. paco paco2004 Clauses

	rishonly  +  210964 Thu, 30 Mar 06 08:32 AM  CalifJim wrote: Thanks, Paco! We can always count on you to have the relevant research at your fingertips! CJ CJ, Paco is an asset for this forum;Long live, Paco. rishonly Joined on Sat, Mar 5 2005 KUMBAKONAM,INDIA Contributing Member 1,782 Regards, Krishna

	rishonly  +  210966 Thu, 30 Mar 06 08:33 AM  Paco2004 wrote:  CalifJim wrote: Thanks, Paco! We can always count on you to have the relevant research at your fingertips! (I can see the "that" clause as adjectival as well.) CJ De nada. Soy siempre nada y nada. paco What is that language, Paco? rishonly Clauses