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Folletto9000  +  497283 Sun, 06 Apr 08 04:42 PM

Hi,

I'm studying the passive, I'm trying to change some sentences in the passive form but I have some doubts. For example:

Dad read Mark a story every night.
Mark is read a story by his dad every night/A story is read to Mark by his dead every night.

Some parents read to their children every night.
Something is read by some parents to their children every night. (I think this sentence isn't correct).

Mark told me about the party.
I was told about the party by Mark. 

Sam remembers his friends telling him about the party.
His friend is remembered by Sam telling him about the party or Sam remembers being told about the party by his friend? 

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Clive  +  497299 Sun, 06 Apr 08 05:06 PM

Hi,

I'm studying the passive, I'm trying to change some sentences in the passive form but I have some doubts. For example:

Dad reads Mark a story every night.
Mark is read a story by his dad every night/A story is read to Mark by his dead <<< Big Smile every night.

Some parents read to their children every night.
Something is read by some parents to their children every night. (I think this sentence isn't correct).
It's not wrong, but this is better. >>>

Their children are read to every night by some parents.

Mark told me about the party.
I was told about the party by Mark. 

Sam remembers his friends telling him about the party.
His friend is remembered by Sam telling him about the party or Sam remembers being told about the party by his friend? 

It's not the kind of sentence you would normally want to put in passive. His friends telling him about the party is rememberd by Sam.

Best wishes, Clive

 

 

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Folletto9000  +  497304 Sun, 06 Apr 08 05:30 PM

Thanks a lot! I don't understand a sentence though.

Some parents read to their children every night.
Their children are read to every night by some parents.

The verb "read" isn't used as a ditransitive verb, because there is the preposition "to". So why can I put "their children" as subject? For example, "A friend gave this book to my sister", I can say "My sister was given this book" but not "My sister was given to this book".

 Thanks

Grammar Geek  +  497308 Sun, 06 Apr 08 05:47 PM

It's more common with the passive to make the direct object the subject and to make the "doer" the least significant part of the sentence, if mentioned at all.

A friend gave this book to my sister. THIS BOOK was given to my sister (by a friend) - with the part in parentheses becoming optional. Who was the recipient of the book follows the "given to."

 

With the verb "read" you know that something is read, even if it's not stated what. "Read to your children" is almos idiomatic that way. You can say "Say to your children" without saying what it is you should be saying, but you don't have to specifiy what it is you should be reading.

 

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Yankee  +  497320 Sun, 06 Apr 08 06:17 PM
 As I see it, this is the pattern:

Someone read him a story. --> He was read a story. 

Someone read to him. --> He was read to.

 

 

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Folletto9000  +  497403 Sun, 06 Apr 08 11:09 PM

Ok, thanks a lot!

Another question: when the thing a pronoun, is it different? For example:

I gave the men it.
I gave it to the men.
The men were given it by me.
It was given to the men by me.

I bring Mark it.
I bring it to Mark.
Mark is brought it by me.
It is brought to Mark by me

He sent me them.
He sent them to me.
I was sent them.
They were sent to me.
 

They told it to me.
They told me it.
I was told it by them.
It was told to me by them.

 Thanks

Grammar Geek  +  497442 Mon, 07 Apr 08 02:21 AM

Hi Folletto9000,

It's best to start a  new thread if you have a question on a new subject.

Yes, when you have pronounds, it changes what is okay.

I gave the men it.No
I gave it to the men.Yes
The men were given it by me.No
It was given to the men by me.Yes  Though the passive structure is not necessary

I bring Mark it.No
I bring it to Mark.Yes
Mark is brought it by me.No
It is brought to Mark by meYes - Okay, but passive

He sent me them.No
He sent them to me.Yes
I was sent them.Yes
They were sent to me.Yes
 

They told it to me.Yes
They told me it.No
I was told it by them.No
It was told to me by them.Yes

The passive versions of these are a bit awkward. I gave them a thumb's up because they weren't wrong.

Avangi  +  497467 Mon, 07 Apr 08 04:22 AM

Folletto9000
“Another question: when the thing a pronoun, is it different?  ”
As you can see, it's very different!

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