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Anonymous  +  572245 Wed, 01 Oct 08 03:34 PM
Have you witnessed examples of the present perfect being collocated with definite past-time temporal adverbials in your variant of English? If so, do you think it suggests a growing trend in the way the present perfect will be used in the future.

e.g.

He's done that last year.

Background to the question:

http://www.ling.canterbury.ac.nz/documents/RCoxthesis.pdf

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MrPedantic  +  572595 Thu, 02 Oct 08 09:46 PM

Yes; no.

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Anonymous, 1 yr 45 days ago
MrPedantic

Yes; no.

MrP

Why "no"?

richard_s  +  573926 Tue, 07 Oct 08 01:21 AM
I haven't noticed this other than in sentences in which I presume that the speaker changed their mind about what they were saying mid sentence.
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Anonymous, 1 yr 45 days ago
richard_s
“I haven't noticed this other than in sentences in which I presume that the speaker changed their mind about what they were saying mid sentence. ”

I see. Do you think this, supposed, emergent use is only happening to the Kiwis?

MrPedantic  +  575310 Sat, 11 Oct 08 12:35 AM

Anonymous

Why "no"?

Because I have seen no evidence to suggest that it might.

MrP

richard_s, 1 yr 41 days ago
I guess it must be if you attest to that fact.  It's interesting that it hasn't made it across the Tasman though.
Anonymous, 1 yr 41 days ago

richard_s
“I guess it must be if you attest to that fact.  It's interesting that it hasn't made it across the Tasman though.



The article above claims that it has.

'However, examples of this “preterite perfect” (PrP) phenomenon (
He’s done that last year) have

been observed in American, British, Australian and New Zealand English."

Anonymous, 1 yr 41 days ago
Here's more:

"A corpus of nearly 1600 past-time narrative verbs was created based on data

from a police reality television show where the PrP was frequently observed.

Transcripts of the show were tagged for discourse and other contextual features in

order to discover the most favourable contexts for PrP use. Analysis of the corpus

reveals that the PrP is able not only to collocate with past-time adverbials, but also to

be used as a narrative past tense, a use previously only reported in Australian English

(Engel and Ritz 2000)."

From the above article.

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