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Lazarus  +  188772 Wed, 25 Jan 06 11:00 PM
 David wrote:
Being baptised has nothing to do with sin it is to do with becoming a member of the Christian family.


I honestly thought Christianity and its many manifestations were entirely about sin.

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Anonymous, 3 yr 57 days ago
Strictly speaking, baptising children without their consent
could be a form of mind controll, because they are so young that
they don't know what they are doing.
Their right to choose their own religion should be respected.
If a religion is really attractive for them, they will choose it.
Otherwise, they will reject it.

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Anonymous, 2 yr 362 days ago
I need to know one con of baptizing infants for my theo class, i also need to know 3 cons of adult baptism.....thanks
nona the brit  +  297917 Mon, 27 Nov 06 01:21 AM

Con against baptizing infants - you are imposing your religion on someone. There are religions that do not baptise children or infants as they believe it needs to be a personal decision made by an adult (or at least a teenager).

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Grammar Geek  +  297950 Mon, 27 Nov 06 04:05 AM

I'm a little amused by this idea that baptizing your child is "marking him." It's not like a tattoo or an innoculation. It's just a way to make the family part of the larger Christian family. My mother was somehow astonished that my brother converted to the Jewish faith, because, as she says, "He was baptized, you know." I reminded her that a little sprinkle of water (and as Protestants, it's not even "Holy Water") was not like being dipped in "Jew-be-gone" and even Achilles' mother forgot about the heel when he got dipped, so that sneaky "other religion" could still have snuck in (in addition to a poison arrow). I'm no sure she got the heel part, but finally acknowledged that at the age of 40, my brother was entitled to deterimine his own religious leanings. Baptism certainly didn't harm him, and the dozen or so years he spent going to church and Sunday school gave him a religous foundation that he could use as a basis of comparison for what he truly believed as an adult. 

Anyway, I would have a hard time coming up with three cons for adult baptism, unless you wanted cons on the entire Christian faith. The whole point of adult baptism is informed choice on the part of the adult, so as long as he or she is consenting to this, what is the problem? I suppose full immersion baptisms outdoors in January might have some cons...

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Sextus  +  297975 Mon, 27 Nov 06 05:51 AM

 Nona The Brit wrote:
There are religions that do not baptise children or infants as they believe it needs to be a personal decision made by an adult (or at least a teenager).

What are those religions, Nona?

I was baptized and received Catholic education. Now I'm agnostic, but don't think that baptism did any harm to me. It's just a harmless ritual. The real question is what the pros and cons of (certain) religions are.

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nona the brit  +  297993 Mon, 27 Nov 06 06:35 AM

There are some varieties of Christianity that don't baptise babies. they may well have a naming ceremony, but not a baptism. The 'Baptists' being one of these as they see it as a decision to be taken by the individual and only for 'believers'. Babies can't believe in anything.

From www.baptist.org.uk

Baptists believe that Baptism is for those who have come to faith in Christ and who are committed to living his way. In other words, baptism is for believers.

Membership
Many churches (often called ‘open membership churches’) will welcome into membership those who have been baptised as a small child, recognising that this baptism was a significant part of the person’s journey of faith. In some Baptist churches, however, membership is only available to those who have been baptised as a believer.
Leadership and Ministry
Most Baptist churches require all or most of their leaders (elders or deacons) to be baptised as a believer. In addition, the Baptist Union of Great Britain only accredits ministers who have been baptised as a believer.
Re-baptism
Because Baptists hold to the view that baptism is for believers, many churches will be willing to (re)baptise a person who has come to faith even if they were baptised as a small child. Some churches, however, will resist this out of respect for the practices of other denominations and the individuals on journey of faith.

David  +  298028 Mon, 27 Nov 06 09:01 AM
Christians see baptism as an initiation into the community. It has to do with the family accepting responsibility to guide the child in his or her spiritual growth. In later life the individual chooses to follow the faith or not. I suppose one could say that one doesn't choose his or her  family but most seem happy with the situation. The family seems to make choices about education locality etc. I cannot see how guiding spiritual growth is to do with anyone but the child and its family.
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Wingb1  +  298375 Tue, 28 Nov 06 05:48 AM
sorry, I don't see a quick reply box anywhere, so I just pressed 'reply' to the last post.

I don't think baptising a baby would make him/her a christian. It's meaning has more to do with the parent, whom in the ceremony, pledges to God that they're going to bring their child up according to God's rules (morals, etc).

As somebody has said before, being baptised as a child, he can also turn agnostic later on. Infact baptism has nothing to do with 'increasing' the number of believers. It's the adult batptism that really counts.
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