We have partnered with TradePub to bring you free industry magazines and resources - no coupons or credit cards required!
Visit: englishforums.tradepub.com
|
|
|
|
|
|
Lazarus
+
188772
Wed, 25 Jan 06 11:00 PM
David wrote: | | Being baptised has nothing to do with sin it is to
do with becoming a member of the Christian family. |
|
I honestly thought Christianity and its many manifestations were entirely about sin.
Lazarus
Joined on
Wed, Sep 28 2005
U.S.
Full Member
285
|
|
|
|
|
Anonymous,
3 yr 57 days ago
Strictly speaking, baptising children without their consent
could be a form of mind controll, because they are so young that
they don't know what they are doing.
Their right to choose their own religion should be respected.
If a religion is really attractive for them, they will choose it.
Otherwise, they will reject it.
Anonymous,
2 yr 362 days ago
I need to know one con of baptizing infants for my theo class, i also need to know 3 cons of adult baptism.....thanks
|
|
|
|
|
|
nona the brit
+
297917
Mon, 27 Nov 06 01:21 AM
Con against baptizing infants - you are imposing your religion on someone. There are religions that do not baptise children or infants as they believe it needs to be a personal decision made by an adult (or at least a teenager).
Joined on
Wed, Sep 22 2004
England
Veteran Member
11,713
The name says it all.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Grammar Geek
+
297950
Mon, 27 Nov 06 04:05 AM
I'm a little amused by this idea that baptizing your child is "marking him." It's not like a tattoo or an innoculation. It's just a way to make the family part of the larger Christian family. My mother was somehow astonished that my brother converted to the Jewish faith, because, as she says, "He was baptized, you know." I reminded her that a little sprinkle of water (and as Protestants, it's not even "Holy Water") was not like being dipped in "Jew-be-gone" and even Achilles' mother forgot about the heel when he got dipped, so that sneaky "other religion" could still have snuck in (in addition to a poison arrow). I'm no sure she got the heel part, but finally acknowledged that at the age of 40, my brother was entitled to deterimine his own religious leanings. Baptism certainly didn't harm him, and the dozen or so years he spent going to church and Sunday school gave him a religous foundation that he could use as a basis of comparison for what he truly believed as an adult.
Anyway, I would have a hard time coming up with three cons for adult baptism, unless you wanted cons on the entire Christian faith. The whole point of adult baptism is informed choice on the part of the adult, so as long as he or she is consenting to this, what is the problem? I suppose full immersion baptisms outdoors in January might have some cons...
Joined on
Tue, Jan 10 2006
Veteran Member
19,660
Barbara, who answers in American English. My housekeeping skills attest to the truth of the second law of thermodynamics: Left to themselves, things get more and more random!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Sextus
+
297975
Mon, 27 Nov 06 05:51 AM
Nona The Brit wrote: | | There are religions that do not baptise children or infants as they believe it needs to be a personal decision made by an adult (or at least a teenager). |
|
What are those religions, Nona?
I was baptized and received Catholic education. Now I'm agnostic, but don't think that baptism did any harm to me. It's just a harmless ritual. The real question is what the pros and cons of (certain) religions are.
Cheers
Joined on
Sat, Nov 6 2004
Buenos Aires
Regular Member
731
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
nona the brit
+
297993
Mon, 27 Nov 06 06:35 AM
There are some varieties of Christianity that don't baptise babies. they may well have a naming ceremony, but not a baptism. The 'Baptists' being one of these as they see it as a decision to be taken by the individual and only for 'believers'. Babies can't believe in anything.
From www.baptist.org.uk
Baptists believe that Baptism is for those who have come to faith in Christ and who are committed to living his way. In other words, baptism is for believers.
Membership Many churches (often called ‘open membership churches’) will welcome into membership those who have been baptised as a small child, recognising that this baptism was a significant part of the person’s journey of faith. In some Baptist churches, however, membership is only available to those who have been baptised as a believer. Leadership and Ministry Most Baptist churches require all or most of their leaders (elders or deacons) to be baptised as a believer. In addition, the Baptist Union of Great Britain only accredits ministers who have been baptised as a believer. Re-baptism Because Baptists hold to the view that baptism is for believers, many churches will be willing to (re)baptise a person who has come to faith even if they were baptised as a small child. Some churches, however, will resist this out of respect for the practices of other denominations and the individuals on journey of faith.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
David
+
298028
Mon, 27 Nov 06 09:01 AM
Christians see baptism as an initiation into the community. It has to do with the family accepting responsibility to guide the child in his or her spiritual growth. In later life the individual chooses to follow the faith or not. I suppose one could say that one doesn't choose his or her family but most seem happy with the situation. The family seems to make choices about education locality etc. I cannot see how guiding spiritual growth is to do with anyone but the child and its family.
Joined on
Sat, Mar 8 2003
Regular Member
664
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Wingb1
+
298375
Tue, 28 Nov 06 05:48 AM
sorry, I don't see a quick reply box anywhere, so I just pressed 'reply' to the last post. I don't think baptising a baby would make him/her a christian. It's meaning has more to do with the parent, whom in the ceremony, pledges to God that they're going to bring their child up according to God's rules (morals, etc). As somebody has said before, being baptised as a child, he can also turn agnostic later on. Infact baptism has nothing to do with 'increasing' the number of believers. It's the adult batptism that really counts.
Joined on
Mon, Sep 25 2006
Australia
New Member
30
|
|
|
|
|
|