qingqing  +  78535 Sat, 05 Mar 05 02:46 AM This computer is the same _____ we saw in the other shop. A. like B. as C. that D. as that key: D Is it right? What about B? qingqing Joined on Mon, Jan 10 2005 Full Member 181

	just the truth  +  78539 Sat, 05 Mar 05 02:56 AM This computer is the same _____ we saw in the other shop. A. like B. as C. that D. as that key: D Is it right? What about B? Nope, B doesn't work but then I don't feel D does either, Qingqing. Try, E. as that one OR F. as the one just the truth Joined on Mon, Dec 27 2004 Regular Member 849

	just the truth  +  78541 Sat, 05 Mar 05 03:09 AM This computer is the same _____ we saw in the other shop. A. like B. as C. that D. as that key: D Is it right? For D to work, Qingqing, we'd need to add a . This computer is the same as that which we saw in the other shop. But this is very formal and nowhere near as natural as the other two alternatives I provided in my first response. just the truth

	Casi  +  78543 Sat, 05 Mar 05 03:15 AM A. *This computer is the same like we saw in the other shop. B. This computer is the same as we saw in the other shop. C. *This computer is the same that we saw in the other shop. D. *This computer is the same as that we saw in the other shop. Only B. works in my dialect (North American). It's colloquial, and it's short for, This computer is the same as (the one) we saw in the other shop. I would be interested in hearing if D. works in other dialects or idiolects, and why. Casi Joined on Sat, Sep 25 2004 Regular Member 547 Dialects

	just the truth  +  78562 Sat, 05 Mar 05 04:04 AM My guess, Casi, though I may be wrong, is that this is a 'test' made up by non-native speakers. Colloquial and elliptical phrases are not things that normally get big exposure on tests. I agree with you that #2 could certainly be used in speech. just the truth

	Casi  +  78569 Sat, 05 Mar 05 04:27 AM JTT: My guess, Casi, though I may be wrong, is that this is a 'test' made up by non-native speakers. It's a good "guess", and one I took into consideration as well, JT, but given we don't know for sure where the exercise was taken from, it's best to provide an answer based on what we do know. There could have also been typos. Colloquial and elliptical phrases are not things that normally get big exposure on tests. True, but again, we don't know who designed the exercise. For all we know, it could have been based on colloquial speech. That is what a great deal of students are after these days, isn't it? But, nonetheless, your question is valid, not to mention would have served the poster well if it'd been asked. I agree with you that could certainly be used in speech. B. This computer is the same as (the one) we saw in the other shop. Great. Now, is it something you would say or is it something you've heard someone say? I'm curious. What is your dialect, and is English your first language? Casi Dialects

	MrPedantic  +  78894 Sun, 06 Mar 05 01:23 PM I would be interested in hearing if D. works in other dialects or idiolects, and why. I can hear D as correct, meaning either: a) This computer is the same as that (one that) we saw in the other shop. b) This computer is the same as that (which) we saw in the other shop. But B would seem more natural. MrP MrPedantic Joined on Tue, Oct 12 2004 Veteran Member 12,592 ...opella forensis / adducit febris... Dialects

	Casi  +  78896 Sun, 06 Mar 05 01:26 PM Thanks, MrP. Your b) rings true to form now: b) This computer is the same as that (which) we saw in the other shop. Casi

	Mister Micawber  +  78915 Sun, 06 Mar 05 03:00 PM My idiotlect uses none of the above, but usually says 'this computer is the same one (that) we saw in the other shop'. I realize that this is choice E, but now seems a good time to throw it into the ring: the cabernet sauvignon is running low. Mister Micawber Joined on Wed, Aug 4 2004 Yokohama Veteran Member 30,788 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master-- that's all.'