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Taka  #306668  Sat, 23 Dec 06 03:44 PM
 Grammar Geek wrote:

Perhaps we pair them in our brains, but not often enough in our writing that they would qualify for the singular verb, the way we do "fish and chips" or "love and marriage" or the other examples you gave earlier.



Hmm...but isn't 'gerund AND gerund=singular' anyway?
  
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Grammar Geek  #306696  Sat, 23 Dec 06 05:28 PM

Like "Running and swimming is my favorite form of exercise"? No. That would be "...are my favorite forms of exercise."

  
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Taka  #306721  Sat, 23 Dec 06 06:28 PM
 Grammar Geek wrote:

Like "Running and swimming is my favorite form of exercise"? No. That would be "...are my favorite forms of exercise."



Surprise [:O]


This is a bit getting off the point of the original question, but let me ask.

My dictionary says:

''Gerund AND gerund' , 'infinitive AND infinitive' and 'abstract noun AND abstract noun' are generally treated as singular when they are used as the compound subject of a sentence.

Do you think this explanation is wrong?
  
Grammar Geek  #306763  Sat, 23 Dec 06 10:34 PM

I can see it in the abstract nouns: Happiness and prosperity is awaiting you... But I can't see it in the gerunds. Let's see if someone else has another view.

  
MrPedantic  #306771  Sat, 23 Dec 06 11:25 PM

(I feel absurdly as if I had just wandered on-stage with an "another view" sticker on my forehead.)

I would take it as follows:

1. Worrying about measuring time precisely, and being paid for units of time, is what distinguishes the West from many other civilizations.

— here, I read "worrying" as applicable only to "measuring time precisely".

2. Worrying about measuring time precisely and being paid for units of time is what distinguishes the West from many other civilizations.

— here, I can read "worrying" either as in #1, or as applicable also to "being paid for units of time". However, the latter doesn't seem as likely to me, since "worrying about being paid" (= pragmatic perturbation) seems to belong in a slightly less elevated context than "worrying about precise measuring" (= science).

I find both a plural and a singular verb possible; the singular verb expresses a link between the two distinguishing things.

(I'll shuffle off stage right now, and let someone else have a go.)

MrP

  
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Grammar Geek  #306798  Sun, 24 Dec 06 02:25 AM

Before you go too far, Mr. P, would you care to comment on the side issues that has come up? The use of a singular verb when there is a compound subject of gerunds or abstract nouns?

  
MrPedantic  #306804  Sun, 24 Dec 06 03:10 AM

<yanked back by loose flap of bear costume>

Well, at the risk of seeming wishy-washy, I see both as possible:

1. Running and swimming is my favorite form of exercise.

— the speaker presents "running and swimming" as a composite activity.

2. Running and swimming are my favorite forms of exercise.

— the speaker presents "running" and "swimming" as separate activities.

<Exit, pursued by self.>

MrP

  
Taka  #306906  Sun, 24 Dec 06 01:49 PM
 MrPedantic wrote:

<yanked back by loose flap of bear costume>

Well, at the risk of seeming wishy-washy, I see both as possible:

1. Running and swimming is my favorite form of exercise.

— the speaker presents "running and swimming" as a composite activity.

2. Running and swimming are my favorite forms of exercise.

— the speaker presents "running" and "swimming" as separate activities.

<Exit, pursued by self.>

MrP



So, when gerunds are perceived as separate activities, the compound are plural.

What about compound subjects of infinitives? Are they also treated as plural when perceived as separate activities?
  
CalifJim  #307002  Sun, 24 Dec 06 11:19 PM
< bear costume>
You've taken to playing the bear in The Winter's Tale, I presume?

And here I had thought for years that you were more of a Hamlet.  Sad [:(]

CJ
  
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