the tense of two sentences

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qingqing  #514378  Fri, 16 May 08 10:58 AM

How to understand the tense of the following two sentences:

She had been so happy when Dahu chose her as the future mother of his children.

She had felt so pround as the group shouted loudly to applaud his choice.

What about 'She was so happy when ..." and "She was felt...as..."? (According to the sequence of time, Dahu first chose her and then she was happy.)

  
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26TMNTJG2PG  #514379  Fri, 16 May 08 11:05 AM
She had become very happy when Dahu chose her as the future mother of his children.

She felt very pround as the group shouted loudly to applaud his choice.

  
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qingqing  #514661  Sat, 17 May 08 03:12 AM

 

I'm still confused as to"She had become very happy when Dahu chose her as the future mother of his children." Which action happened first, "had become" or "chose"?

  
qingqing  #514663  Sat, 17 May 08 03:23 AM

Here is the paragraph, 

The feast: 18,000 BC
Worried about the preparation for her feast, Lala quickly turned for home with her collection of nuts and fruit. It was the custom of family groups to separate and then gather again at different sites for reunions as they followed the animal herds across the grasslands. If only it could be just like last year! Then She had been so happy when Dahu chose her as the future mother of his children. He was the best toolmaker in the group and it was a great honour to be chosen. She had felt so proud as the group shouted loudly to applaud his choice. If only she had looked ahead and planned better! ...

  
CalifJim  #514665  Sat, 17 May 08 03:25 AM
 
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She had been so happy when Dahu chose her as the future mother of his children.
She was happy (already).  And then Dahu chose her.  Is that really what you wanted to say?  I think you want:

She was very happy that Dahu chose her.

Or, better, Dahu made her very happy when he chose her as ...

____

And the next sentence:

She felt so proud as the group shouted ...  (not "was felt"; not "pround")

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CalifJim  #514667  Sat, 17 May 08 03:33 AM
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...  Lala quickly turned for home with her collection of nuts and fruit. It was the custom of family groups to separate and then gather again at different sites for reunions as they followed the animal herds across the grasslands. If only it could be just like last year! Then She had been so happy when Dahu chose her as the future mother of his children. He was the best toolmaker in the group and it was a great honour to be chosen. She had felt so proud as the group shouted loudly to applaud his choice. If only ...
The context changes things.  The past perfect shows that the events described happened before the main time of the story.

See Re: Past / Past perfect.

See Re: Past perfect.

CJ

  
qingqing  #515387  Mon, 19 May 08 02:19 AM

I'm still confused about it. I want to know if there's anything wrong with the tense underlined. If not, how to understand it. According to the context, I think the sentences should be "She was so happy when..." and "She felt so proud as..." Am I right?

  
CalifJim  #515417  Mon, 19 May 08 05:03 AM
I'm still confused about it. I want to know if there's anything wrong with the tense underlined. If not, how to understand it. According to the context, I think the sentences should be "She was so happy when..." and "She felt so proud as..." Am I right?

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... It was the custom of family groups to separate and then gather again at different sites for reunions as they followed the animal herds across the grasslands. If only it could be just like last year! Then She had been so happy when Dahu chose her as the future mother of his children. He was the best toolmaker in the group and it was a great honour to be chosen. She had felt so proud as the group shouted loudly to applaud his choice. If only she had looked ahead and planned better!
There's nothing wrong with the underlined words.  They relate reactions which happened before the time of the main focus of the narrative.

Here's the order of events and reactions.

Background information about the family groups.  <<<

It was the custom ... to separate and then gather again. <<< [This continued over a long time in the past.]

_______  Change of narrative focus ________ 

Background information about Dahu. >>>

He was the best tool maker.  (So) it was (considered) an honor to be chosen by Dahu.  >>>

Events.  Last year.  >>>

Dahu chose her.  The group applauded his choice.  >>>

Her reaction to the events at the time of the events.  >>>

She became happy (because Dahu chose her).   She felt proud (because the group applauded).  >>>

Background information about her behavior at the time of the events.  >>>

She did not look ahead.  She did not plan well. >>>

Her reaction now. <<<

She wants everything to be as it was last year.   <<<

She wishes that she could go back and do things differently

-- for example, look ahead and plan better.  <<<

<<< shows the main narrative focus.

>>> shows secondary focus - events and reactions not within the main narrative focus. 

>>> additional information - possibly tertiary focus

Others may have different interpretations. 

CJ 

  
New2grammar  #515547  Mon, 19 May 08 11:51 AM
CJ,
I have two small questions.
1. Can I change 'when' to 'that' as suggested by you before the context was given?

2. Can I change to past tense "She felt..." since the time shift has occurred, there's no need to shift in time again.

She had been so happy that Dahu chose her as the future mother of his children. He was the best toolmaker in the group and it was a great honour to be chosen. She had felt so proud as the group shouted loudly to applaud his choice

Thanks in advance!

 

  
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