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EyeSeeYou  +  245734 Sat, 15 Jul 06 03:55 AM
I usually hear it pronounced differently in movies or songs than what the dictionary suggests: /'beibe/, instead of /'beibi/. Is just me or does it really happen?
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CalifJim  +  245806 Sat, 15 Jul 06 10:25 AM
Hard to answer.  We'd have to hear it, I think, to judge.  I don't know of a case where /beibe/ is used, but it's not impossible.  It suggests a sort of country music twang to me.

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EyeSeeYou  +  246098 Sun, 16 Jul 06 06:36 PM

 CalifJim wrote:
Hard to answer.  We'd have to hear it, I think, to judge.  I don't know of a case where /beibe/ is used, but it's not impossible.  It suggests a sort of country music twang to me.

CJ

Instead of the 'i' sound, it sounds more like an 'e' or more like the ' i ' of ship than the ' i ' sound in 'my' if you know what I mean.

Take Aerosmith's song "Crazy" for example. I'll try to come up with more examples but I tend to hear it on every single sitcom, song or movie from the USA.

EyeSeeYou  +  267234 Fri, 15 Sep 06 01:44 AM
Paul Anka's You're Having My Baby is a good example of what I asked. I'll try to come up with a link.
Marvin A.  +  304370 Fri, 15 Dec 06 11:04 PM
According to Wikipedia in the Southern American English article, /i/ is pronounced [ E ] (lax) at the end of a word.
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Kooyeen  +  304561 Sat, 16 Dec 06 05:11 PM
I hear that very often. I guess that phenomenon has something to do with lazy pronunciation, since I heard it mostly in songs, especially in rock or metal songs where singers shout and don't articulate the words properly. While I'm writing this post, I'm listening to a song where you can notice that clearly, Paradise City by Guns 'n' Roses:

"Take me down to the paradise city where the grass is green and the girls are pretty" ---- the y in city and pretty is not the same sound as the vowel in the verb lead. The one in city tends to the vowel sound in lid, the same applies to the one in pretty, but it even tends to the vowel sound in led.

The fact is that I listen so much to that kind of music that I practically never pronounce a word with a final y rhyming with see. My y in happy, pretty, city, electricity, etc. is very similar to the i in sick ( actually, I think it could vary from a sound halfway between seek and sick to a sound exactly equal to the one in sick).

So, the music I listen influences my pronunciation, and I guess that's also true of other learners.

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Marvin A.  +  304578 Sat, 16 Dec 06 05:43 PM
That's actually not at all how it's pronounced in music. Pronouncing -y as [ I ] is a feature of conservative RP. If you're learning General American English, please pronounce final -y as [ i ] . (as in "seat"). If you're trying to copy a Southern accent, pronounce it as [ E ]. Singers often do pronounce it as [ E ] as well, but they never do it in their normal speaking voice. But never pronounce it as [ I ] unless you want to speak conservative RP.
Kooyeen  +  305074 Mon, 18 Dec 06 12:57 PM
Thanks Marvin.What you say is true, but you know, we learners don't pay much attention to some kinds of pronunciation rules, we just tend to imitate what we hear. Anyway, the way I pronounce a final y now is more similar to the way you suggested, and I guess it's because I've been listening to online talk radios more frequently lately, and my accent tends to change. So it's also important to vary the source we listen to English from... I'll try to listen to more talk radios.
EyeSeeYou  +  309483 Mon, 01 Jan 07 07:25 PM

Thank you Kooyeen and Marvin A. Then it wan't just me who heard it that way. Smile [:)] Though it's true that where I've heard it most is in songs rather than in conversations. 

Kooyeen: the example of GNR you provided came in really handy. I've noticed Axl Rose sing 'baby' that way too.

Marvin: what do you mean by 'conservative RP'.

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