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Yoong Liat  #303796  Thu, 14 Dec 06 01:46 PM

There is a dog and two cats in his house.

There are a dog and two cats in his house.

Which is the correct sentence or are both okay?

  
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Mr Patrick  #303821  Thu, 14 Dec 06 02:57 PM
 Yoong Liat wrote:

There is a dog and two cats in his house.

There are a dog and two cats in his house.

Which is the correct sentence or are both okay?

Hi Yoong Liat

(should I say 'Hi Yoong' or 'Hi Liat'?)

Let's start with a couple of links to my favourite sources:

http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/060.html/#COMPOUNDSUBJ

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/sv_agr.htm

According to the first text, there are two rules that seem to clash in your example.  One rule says that compound subjects connected by and should take a plural verb.  The other rule says that often a verb will take the number of the closest noun.

I think that in your example the first rule will take precedence over the second, and therefore the verb has to be in plural. I would not accept the singular form in a student's essay.

Having said that, maybe style considerations can come to our rescue.  Why not rephrase the sentence? The meaning remains the same and all rules are now satisfied: There are two cats and a dog in his house.

Regards, Patrick

  
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Yoong Liat  #303859  Thu, 14 Dec 06 04:47 PM

Hi Patrick

You may call me 'Yoong Liat'.

I failed to find any sentence starting with "There is" in the two websites provided by you. I would be grateful if you could extract that portion for me if there is.

  
Wwwdotcom  #303937  Thu, 14 Dec 06 08:10 PM
Yoong Liat,

I found this part which might be of interest.

Under notional agreement - "Similarly, there are some nouns like mumps and news that are plural in form but take a singular verb: The mumps was once a common childhood disease. Amounts often take a singular verb: Ten thousand bucks is a lot of money. Here again we have notional, but not grammatical, agreement—the ten thousand bucks is considered a single quantity, and it gets a singular verb."

Instead of "is", they have "was".  I think it's the same considering your initial post.
  
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Yoong Liat  #303941  Thu, 14 Dec 06 08:19 PM

Hi Wwwdotcom

There is a dog and two cats in his house.

There are a dog and two cats in his house.

Based on the information you have, what is your conclusion?  Which  sentence is correct?

  
Wwwdotcom  #304099  Fri, 15 Dec 06 06:51 AM
"There are a dog and two cats in his house."

Saying "are" then "a" just sounds wrong.  I would not expect to see this when reading an article or watching the news.  However, a writer of a story might want to give an image of a dog and two cats together as a group.  When we look at it this way, an argument can be made to use plural.

For example, when we refer to sports teams we use "are" instead of "is":

Q: Who IS winning?

A1: The New York Yankees ARE winning. / NOT The New York Yankees IS winning.

(Even without the "s" to make it plural):
A2: The Boston Red Sox ARE winning. / NOT The Boston Red Sox IS winning.

If you are going to use "are" then give a pause like a comma before saying "a".  

SHORTENING THE LANGUAGE

Another point I would like to make is that native speakers shorten their language.  I think I would hear "There's a dog...." more often than "There is a dog". "There's" is a common default, even if we switched the order.  "There's two cats and a dog in his house."
  
Yoong Liat  #304115  Fri, 15 Dec 06 08:08 AM

Hi Wwwdotcom

In AmE, I understand the plural verb 'are' is allowed. By the way, the verb problem arises because the sentence starts with 'There'.

  
Wwwdotcom  #304210  Fri, 15 Dec 06 01:40 PM
Any overall problem comes from the sentence not an individual word.  I get so lost in Japanese because I become fixated on one word in the sentence instead of reading the sentence as an unbreakable whole like with a word itself and not worrying about the letters that make up that word.
  
Yoong Liat  #304294  Fri, 15 Dec 06 06:19 PM

Hi Wwwdotcom

The pen and pencil are cheap.

The watch and pen are on the table.

Sentences without 'There" are not so confusing. But throw in 'There' and BrE and AmE differ in usage.

As I said, "There is a dog and two cats in his house." (BrE)

"There are a dog and two cats in his house." (AmE)

 "There is a dog and two cats in his house." (AmE also allows this usage.)

That is why English grammar is very hard to master.

  
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