I thought a spider is/was an insect

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Pter  #511093  Thu, 08 May 08 07:34 AM
I just read the other thread on "I thought".  I am still wondering if Jim's answer also applies when talking about general knowledge or universal truths.  Should I use "is" or "was"?

I thought a spider is/was an insect, but it is in fact an arachnid. 

 

 

  
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New2grammar  #511096  Thu, 08 May 08 07:38 AM

I think it still holds. It expresses doubt over a fact.

For example, I thought the sun was a star.

IMHO

  
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Pter  #511099  Thu, 08 May 08 07:48 AM
Sorry for starting it again, but I am still not quite sure in this case.  I was taught that when talking about universal truths or general knowledge, the present tense should be used in indirect speech. 

By the way, I suppose you are just making up an example quickly.  I think you know the sun IS in fact a star.

  
Goodman  #511100  Thu, 08 May 08 07:55 AM
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I was taught that when talking about universal truths or general knowledge, the present tense should be used in indirect speech. 


I am with you on this.
  
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New2grammar  #511102  Thu, 08 May 08 08:08 AM

Hi Pter, Don't be sorry. I could be wrong. As you can see an expert has just disagreed with me :( I'm always wrong and your English is much better than mine. I was just giving my two cent opinion and probably useless.

Yes. I do know for a fact that the sun is one of billions of stairs in the universe which is what my example needed to show doubt.

A is quite certain that he/she is right about the star fact. But someone (maybe someone he/she thinks is credible) says the sun is another planet. A new theory she supposed since nobody has been to the sun.So A says "I thought the sun was a star, composed of helium and other flamable gases..yada yada yada "

Again, I'm just a learner. Dont tkae my word for it.

(Edit: This is probably less related and I believe you already know it. In reported speech, you can say facts in the past tense. My teachertold me that the sun was a star.)

  
Ant_222  #511107  Thu, 08 May 08 08:19 AM
What if there're two alternative facts pretending to a general truth?

I thought the aether didn't exist
I belived the aether existed
  
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Pter  #511111  Thu, 08 May 08 08:38 AM
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(Edit: This is probably less related and I believe you already know it. In reported speech, you can say facts in the past tense. My teachertold me that the sun was a star.)
No, I didn't know that.  We are all here to learn and I don't think my English is much better than yours.  In this case, you certainly know better than me.  I just googled for "that the sun was a star" / "that the sun is a star" and found that both have similar number of hits.
  
New2grammar  #511116  Thu, 08 May 08 09:09 AM

I spent half an hour looking for the reported speech usage I told you about and just
when I almost gave up I came across this thread (not the one I've learned from but shoud
give you some idea)
http://www.englishforums.com/English/DidntEarthDidntEarth/vmgvj/post.htm

hope this helps

  
Marius Hancu  #511183  Thu, 08 May 08 12:37 PM
If you really want to sound English, use the past. Use the present only if you really want to emphasize the fact is still being valid. 
  
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