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Kooyeen  #321270  Mon, 29 Jan 07 03:12 AM
Hi,
I'd like to know how have and its forms are pronounced (in American English), I'm not sure when it's pronounced with a schwa. I'll use the phonetic transcription used by the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
a like in cat
& is the schwa, like the a in about
s like in snake
z like in zebra

Ok, I have no problems (I hope so) when the forms are contracted. I'd like to understand how the forms are pronounced when they are not contracted (/hav/ or /h&v/?). I think it's also important to show which words are stressed in the sentences.

   1. I have seen your girlfriend.
   2. I haven't seen your girlfriend.
   3. I had seen your girlfriend.
   4. I hadn't seen your girlfriend.
   5. I have a black car.
   6. I have to buy a new laptop. (This shoud be /haft&/)
   7. I don't have to buy a new laptop.
   8. He has to buy a new laptop. (/haz t&/ or /has t&/? And is the t a tapped t, like in "way to go"?)

(Ex. of possible answer: #1 - stress on "seen" - have is /h&v/)

Thank you very much in advance Smile [:)]

  
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Marvin A.  #321327  Mon, 29 Jan 07 05:31 AM
[ æ ] like in cat
[ @ ] is schwa

1. I *have* seen... emphasizing have [ hæv ] . Stress on seen: "Have" is actually contracted to just [ v ] : I've seen [ aIv sin ]

2. [ hævn=t ]
3. [ hæd ] . If the sentence were longer, it would probably be contracted to [ d ] .
4. [ hædn=t ]
5. [ hæv ]
6. have to = [ hæft@ ]
7. have to = [ hæft@ ]
8. [ hæz ]
  
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CalifJim  #321380  Mon, 29 Jan 07 09:21 AM
1. I have seen your girlfriend. /hav/
2. I haven't seen your girlfriend. /havint/  /i/ nearly absent.
3. I had seen your girlfriend. /had/
4. I hadn't seen your girlfriend. /hadint/  /i/ nearly absent.
5. I have a black car.  /hav/
6. I have to buy a new laptop. (This shoud be /haft&/)  yes.
7. I don't have to buy a new laptop.  /haft&/ again
8. He has to buy a new laptop. (/haz t&/ or /has t&/? And is the t a tapped t?  /hast&/; no, not tapped.

Not contracting auxiliary have is relatively rare in conversation.

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Kooyeen  #321716  Mon, 29 Jan 07 11:24 PM
Thank you so much.

 CalifJim wrote:

Not contracting auxiliary have is relatively rare in conversation.


Yeah, I usually hear contractions, so I've never really paid much attention to non-contracted forms.

Anyway, I see they are all pronounced as /hav/, a like in cat. My dictionaries and Merriam-Webster also list other pronunciations (/h&v/, /h&z/, /h&d/), with the schwa. So when are they pronounced that way?
I think contracted forms can be pronounced either with a schwa or without (/&v/ or /v/, /&z/ or /z/, /&d/ or /d/). But they have no h's, so I wonder when I could hear them with the h's.

  
CalifJim  #321765  Tue, 30 Jan 07 02:45 AM
So when are they pronounced that way?
Never when I say them!

I think contracted forms can be pronounced either with a schwa or without (/&v/ or /v/, /&z/ or /z/, /&d/ or /d/).
Yes, as you've shown. 

But they have no h's, so I wonder when I could hear them with the h's.
I wonder the same thing!

CJ
  
Kooyeen  #322164  Tue, 30 Jan 07 11:00 PM
 CalifJim wrote:
I wonder the same thing!


Oh, well, I won't use those versions too then!
Thanks Smile [:)]
  
CalifJim  #322228  Wed, 31 Jan 07 02:54 AM
Good idea.

( ... won't use them either then  Smile [:)] )

CJ

  
Kooyeen  #322554  Wed, 31 Jan 07 08:24 PM
 CalifJim wrote:


( ... won't use them either then  Smile [:)] )


Dammit, I really don't know why I keep on making the same mistakes. It must be because I'm still not used to some structures and often I don't feel like paying attention to what I write...

Anyway, thank you for pointing out my mistakes, that helps! Smile [:)]
  
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