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Teo  #218246  Fri, 21 Apr 06 04:23 AM

A: John's grades are good. B: Mary's grades are not bad, _____.

Which word should I use to fill in the blank, too or either?

  
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Clive  #218271  Fri, 21 Apr 06 05:59 AM

Hi,

Either.

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CalifJim  #218283  Fri, 21 Apr 06 06:26 AM
Yes.  "either".

too goes with affirmatives.
either goes with negatives.

I understand.
I do too.

I don't understand.
I don't either.


In such contexts, they mean the same thing.

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Believer  #218400  Fri, 21 Apr 06 01:14 PM

Hi CJ,

I think I do understand what you are trying to say in your reply, but can I ask you one thing?

You said that too goes with affirmative and either goes with negatives. VERY GOOD.

But the original sentences were like this:

A: John's grades were good.

B: Mary's grades are not bad, _____.

Under that context, I think not bad could possibly mean somewhat good or OK and thus, affirming A's statement. Therefore, either the word "either" or the word "too" can be used there. What do you think?         

  
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Grammar Geek  #218437  Fri, 21 Apr 06 03:25 PM

"not bad" is negative - not in the "goodness or badness in life" type of negative, but it has a NOT.

John's grades were good. Mary's grade's were good TOO.  Here good is stated in the positive.

John's grades were awful. Mary's grades were bad TOO.  (It's not a GOOD thing, but it's stated in the positive.)

  
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Believer  #218617  Sat, 22 Apr 06 05:55 AM

Thank you.

I agree with you that not bad is a 'negative' sentence and it has a NOT to reflect that, but in as a ??? colloquial sense, not bad could mean 'good.'

A: Hi, you look good. Or You are a very good-looking person.

B: You don't look bad yourself. Or You are not bad yourself.     

See, under this rather casually talking situation, one can deduce that the words 'not bad'  mean 'good.'

A question:

How long the quote has to be before I can revert to using double quotations?

  
CalifJim  #218641  Sat, 22 Apr 06 07:53 AM
Yes, not bad is semantically equivalent to good or somewhat good in many contexts.

The rule about too and either, however, does not operate according to semantic content, but is purely a matter of syntax.  Once the sentence has a not, no, never, ... it takes either, not too.

CJ



  
Teo  #222566  Fri, 05 May 06 04:30 AM

A: John is too short to be a professional basketball player.

B: Rick is too short to be a professional basketball player, ___>

Which word should I use to fill in the blank, too or either?

  
Grammar Geek  #222568  Fri, 05 May 06 04:40 AM

In B, is there a "not"? No. So it takes too.

If it were:

A: John's not tall enough to be a professional basketball player.

B: Rick's NOT tall enough EITHER.

  
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