sage    645951 Sat, 23 Aug 03 02:00 AM How long has the phrase "training up" been around? And why is it deemed necessary to add "up"? Cheers, Sage? sage Training

	R H Draney    646045 Sat, 23 Aug 03 06:34 AM Okay, so this one time? In band camp? sage was all, like: "How long has the phrase "training up" been around? And why is it deemed necessary to add "up"?" Never heard it...if it means what it seems to mean, the latest equivalent in this neck of the woods is "upskilling"..r R H Draney Training

	Steve Hayes    646135 Sat, 23 Aug 03 09:05 AM "How long has the phrase "training up" been around?" About 400 years or so. "And why is it deemed necessary to add "up"?" Necessity is the mother of invention. Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk Steve Hayes Training

	Don Phillipson    646231 Sat, 23 Aug 03 01:13 PM "How long has the phrase "training up" been around? And why is it deemed necessary to add "up"?" The original environment appears to be gardening. Training up usually means attaching a plant to an espalier to force it to acquire a particular shape. The word up seems needed in order to distinguish this from other forms of training, e.g. teaching horses and riders. Spoken English seems to display a magnetic attraction for very small redundant words. US State Secretary Powell said this week: "That would be a cliff we do not want to fall off of," or something like that. Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) dphillipson(at)trytel.com Don Phillipson Countries, United Kingdom, Great Britain, Plants, Languages, Training

	Steve Hayes    646601 Sun, 24 Aug 03 07:10 AM "About 400 years or so." "Proverbs 22:6, KJV; that's almost 500 years" According to my reckoning, it will be 400 years ago in 8 years' time. But if they used that phrase then for translation, it must have been in use and known for some time beforehand. Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk Steve Hayes Translation

	Robert Lieblich    646664 Sun, 24 Aug 03 09:33 AM "Proverbs 22:6, KJV; that's almost 500 years" "According to my reckoning, it will be 400 years ago in 8 years' time. But if they used that phrase then for translation, it must have been in use and known for some time beforehand." My vorpal sword recently damaged one of my fingers and I just can't count the way I useta. I'd claim I was obliquely referring to Tyndale, but I don't think he got around to Proverbs. No, wait, it was a typo. Hey, it's 4:30 a.m. as I write this and I can't get back to sleep. Have some pity. Bob Lieblich Trying to snooze even as he writes Robert Lieblich Translation

	Dr Robin Bignall    646746 Sun, 24 Aug 03 01:06 PM "Hey, it's 4:30 a.m. as I write this and I can't get back to sleep. Have some pity." Why? I'm usually at it(1) about that time of a morn and I get no roses, even for the funny bits I print to leave for Jeanne. (1) Hint. "It" occasionally requires a printer. wrmst rgrds Robin Bignall Quiet part of Hertfordshire England http://homepage.ntlworld.com/docrobin/homepage.htm Dr Robin Bignall Plants, Tips