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Rex  #351907  Tue, 17 Apr 07 09:26 AM
Sri Lanka's captain, Mahela Jayawardene, tried to deny that his key bowlers, Muttiah Muralitharan and Chaminda Vaas, (and the injured Lasith Malinga) had been rested for tactical reasons, but nobody truly believed his protestations.
When you set a trap for a beast as big, powerful and terrifying as the Australians, timing is everything. To have sprung a major surprise in a game as meaningless as this encounter had become would have been a criminal waste of their energies.

Forget all the talk of victories building momentum and other such clichéd interpretations. Ricky Ponting's Australians are so crushingly focused that a defeat would have been like a ricochet off a rhino's hide. Australia would have stored up the indignity, redirected their fury, and doubtless entered the semi-finals even more determined to crush all resistance. One look at Ponting's thousand-yard stare tells you that much.

"To tell you the truth it doesn't worry me one little bit," he said, having long since dispensed with the platitudes in press conferences. "They obviously had some you-beaut plan going into the game, to rest a couple of the best players, but that's fine with us. We'll take a comprehensive win against Sri Lanka this close to the finals.

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To have sprung a major surprise in a game as meaningless as this encounter had become would have been a criminal waste of their energies.

(1) Is the above sentence grammatically correct? For me the words 'this encounter had become would have been a criminal waste of their energies' make no sense. What is 'had become would have been' ?

(2) What is the meaning of 'like a ricochet of a rhino hide' ?
 What is the speciality of the hide of rhinoceros? For me the hide of rhinoceros or any other African animal has the same quality. Hides of animals are the same. The action or rebounding doesn't have any significance whether the surface is covered by lions hide or rhinos hide. It may be rhinos hide is thicker than hides of other African animals. It doesn't make a difference for the action of rebounding.



  
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Marius Hancu  #352023  Tue, 17 Apr 07 01:39 PM
1) The sentence is correct.

You don't seem to see the right connections for the verbs:

To have sprung  - would have been
as this encounter had become

Think again, I won't tell you more.

2) The Australians were as tough/hard as a rhino's hide. Any defeats would have been insignificant to them, everything would have ricochetted off them.

  
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Rex  #352071  Tue, 17 Apr 07 03:01 PM
Thanks Marius. I am not as clever as you when it comes to English grammar.

Yes, the words 'would have been' sound conditional.
I can't fathom out the grammatical nature of the words ' To have sprung'
You can spring a surprise.  This is indicative form.
I want to know whether to have sprung a surprise means a past event or unreal past event. These are tricky grammar points, as far as I am concerned.

[Is the following sentence correct in this context?]
If you had told me that the Aussies were going to win the match, I would not have watched it on TV.
In fact, I watched the match yesterday.

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I find it strange to compare rhinos hide to the strength of a cricket team or football team.

  
Marius Hancu  #352116  Tue, 17 Apr 07 04:30 PM
to have sprung is perfect infinitive

Search for it at this site and study it.

>If you had told me that the Aussies were going to win the match, I would not have watched it on TV.

The sentence is correct.


  
Rex  #352421  Wed, 18 Apr 07 11:12 AM
Thanks Marius
I obliged to you and searched the site.
There are things which I am not familiar with in English grammar. I am ashamed of my ability; I mean there are some basic stuff which I am not aware of.
The following is from our friends Clive and Cool Breeze.

[link]

The following looks a conditional sentence to me:

Perfect infinitive
passive: if you hadn't left the car unlocked,it wouldn't have been stolen.
What do you think? This is equal to a first conditional sentence.

4] If you had a TV set, you would watch the cricket match between  Sri Lanka and Australia last Monday.
[ You didn't watch the match because you don't have a TV at home.]

Would you approve my fourth sentence? Is it necessary to say 'you would have watched the cricket match' in this context?

5. If you had had a TV set, you would have watched the cricket match between Sri Lanka and Australia last Monday.
     I guess the above is fine if you want to write 'you would have watched' in this context.
    Please comment.
  
Yankee  #352476  Wed, 18 Apr 07 02:02 PM
 Rex wrote:

The following looks a conditional sentence to me:

Perfect infinitive
passive: if you hadn't left the car unlocked,it wouldn't have been stolen.
What do you think? This is equal to a first conditional sentence.
No, the sentence is a Type 3 conditional.
There is no perfect infinitve in the sentence. 

4] If you had a TV set, you would watch the cricket match between  Sri Lanka and Australia last Monday.
[ You didn't watch the match because you don't have a TV at home.]

Would you approve my fourth sentence?
No, not with the meaning you stated.  Is it necessary to say 'you would have watched the cricket match' in this context? Yes
"If you had a TV set, you would have watched the cricket match..."

This is a "mixed conditional".   It mixes Type 2 and Type 3.

5. If you had had a TV set, you would have watched the cricket match between Sri Lanka and Australia last Monday.
     I guess the above is fine if you want to write 'you would have watched' in this context.
    Please comment.
This is the standard format for a Type 3 conditional.
  
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Rex  #352522  Wed, 18 Apr 07 03:28 PM
Thanks Yankee
I must read more about grammar to understand everything. You touched on the subject of mixed conditional. I don't know them.
  
Marius Hancu  #352537  Wed, 18 Apr 07 04:02 PM
  
Rex  #352631  Wed, 18 Apr 07 09:09 PM
Marius
Thanks for the excellent link.

  
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