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Ungrammatical? "She belted most of a bottle of wine down before dinner had even begun."

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CalifJim  #545589  Wed, 23 Jul 08 07:53 PM
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from what I have learned about Past Perfect, it seems to me that it is ungrammatical that 'had even begun' is in Past Perfect tense.
No.  It's grammatically correct to use the past perfect tense when the before clause indicates that an event has not yet happened at the time of the main clause, but suggesting that perhaps the event was going to happen.  This construction can (correctly) give the impression that events occurred in the reverse order from what was expected, customary, or desirable.  (In the case at hand, the writer expected that the dinner would begin first and the wine drinking would take place later.)

She belted down the wine before the dinner had begun

= The dinner had not yet begun [when / at the time] she belted down the wine. 

See Re: past perfect in dependent clause

CJ 

  
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CalifJim  #545593  Wed, 23 Jul 08 08:08 PM
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She arrived before her mother had reached her hotel?
Fine.

=  Her mother had not yet reached her hotel when she arrived. 

The expected (intended) order is:  Her mother arrives at the hotel, and then she arrives. 

The actual order is:  She arrives at the hotel, but her mother is not there; her mother has not yet arrived. 

Or, backshifting:  She arrived at the hotel, but her mother was not there; her mother had not yet arrived. 

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Marius Hancu  #545638  Wed, 23 Jul 08 11:55 PM
 

Copying myself from another thread: 

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Isn't it a Subjunctive Mood, is it?

Yes, you can look at it that way and that's a nice justificationSmile. CJ's example: 

Mozart died before he had completed the Requiem Mass.

can  be read as:

 Mozart died before THE HYPOTHETICAL ACTION IN WHICH he would have completed the Requiem Mass.


  
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