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Cool Breeze  +  557279 Thu, 21 Aug 08 06:25 PM
Avangi
“Thanks, CB.  As soon as I saw the sports reference I knew I was wrong.

 

Don't count on my English, Avangi! I'm just a student of the language and my knowledge of it will never equal that of an educated native speaker. My English will always be inferior to my Finnish. I make lots of mistakes, and, being eager to learn more, I'm grateful to anyone who points out a mistake for me.

English is an interesting language in that lots and lots of fixed collocations and phrases are used and consequently any deviation from them may sound odd  -  and may of course be wrong as well. As I said, some consider substitute ... with wrong.

Cheers, CB

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shaved  +  557336 Thu, 21 Aug 08 10:44 PM
 At the risk of sounding like I haven't read the preceding 10 pages (which, honestly, I have not), I'd like to state my reasoning for the US sticking it's nose in everyone's business.

I'll try to keep this as simple as possible without pointing fingers at other countries specifically.

 

The United States of America is the single greatest experiment in liberty ever undertaken by humanity. As part of this, the goal of this nation is to liberate our human brothers and sisters from the ignorance and oppression that dominate the vast majority of the planet.

The US, joined in the last 40 years or so by a number of other Western-style governments, has stood as a pillar of hope and strength for those around the world who believe that they deserve the chance to make it in a vibrant, fair economy.

Therefore we stand at the head of a formation of humanity with a common goal: liberty and justice for all.

Our strength (economic and military) is the cornerstone upon which modern world security rests. And so, whenever these things are threatened (or the resources that are required to maintain our hegemonic position), we MUST respond.

We must respond to maintain the belief that freedom has a champion. We must respond so that those who would seek to take your liberty think twice about attempting it. We must respond or we lose our ability and credibility to respond in the future. We must respond so that small, free nations aren't swallowed by larger powers and so their systems of liberty and justice aren't trampled by systems of oppression and injustice.

The US must respond to global threats against liberty, the rule of law, and free markets. If we don't, who will?

And more importantly, if the US doesn't respond to and eliminate these threats, who will have the strength to do it in 50 years?

The answer is simple, no nation will have the power to make the final stand against oppression if those forces aren't confronted before there is ever a 'final stand'.

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Goodman  +  557357 Fri, 22 Aug 08 12:11 AM
Dude! what powerful piece this is. I couldn't have said it better. So to the point and so true.
The problem is there are plenty of Americans as well as free radicals from other countries who don't see that.
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Avangi  +  557362 Fri, 22 Aug 08 12:41 AM
shaved
“  so that small, free nations aren't swallowed by larger powers and so their systems of liberty and justice aren't trampled by systems of oppression and injustice. ”
  Hi shaved.  Your post is inspirational.  I feel guilty in detracting from it in any way.  I only wish there were some way to promote liberty and justice abroad without paying such a heavy price in the loss of liberty and justice at home (the misnamed Patriot Act, the new reactionary supremes, etc.).

  - A.
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Dew 2007  +  557471 Fri, 22 Aug 08 07:53 AM
It's quite all right when we speak of liberty. And the law.
Unfortunately the US politics tries to IMPOSE its kind of liberty on other nations and thinks it's the only way it should be.
But the Americal understanding of liberty is not the only for all the people.

I remember the thread where we tried to speak about the Muslim women having to wear hijab...
We thought it wrong. But our Muslim women persuaded us that it's all right with them and they are happy.

Why think that everything US politicians do is right and was always right?

I'd rather stick to the opinion that everything US do has got only one purpose - to support the interests of the US everywhere.
Every country pursues such a policy. What I am really against of is the way they do it.
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Ruslana  +  557539 Fri, 22 Aug 08 10:57 AM
Hey Shaved,

Nice reasoning. I just have a couple of questions.

shaved
“As part of this, the goal of this nation is to liberate our human brothers and sisters from the ignorance and oppression that dominate the vast majority of the planet. ”

What made you think that your human brothers and sisters suffer from the ignorance and oppression?

shaved
“Our strength (economic and military)... ”

Has the USA government already paid off its enormous external debt of over 9 billion dollars (for comparison, the USA GDP averaged 13 billion dollars in 2006) and solved its problem of being insolvent?

shaved
“The United States of America is the single greatest experiment in liberty ever undertaken by humanity.
...
We must respond so that small, free nations aren't swallowed by larger powers and so their systems of liberty and justice aren't trampled by systems of oppression and injustice.”

Was extirpating of the American Indians (the Reds, native inhabitants of North America) a part of this liberty experiment? 
What is the status of the American Indians in the USA now?
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Lawyee  +  557559 Fri, 22 Aug 08 12:14 PM
Oh, my god, Ruslana joined this thread, beware, you Americans!WinkStick out tongue
I must agree that Shaved is not talking about the present situation of the world but about the situation at least 15 years ago. The more I have to stress that not only the world has changed since then but also America has changed. Despite the fact that your words sound glorious, they do not reflect the world nowadays...
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Ruslana  +  557569 Fri, 22 Aug 08 12:45 PM
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But come oooooon, how many times shall I repeat that I do not have anything against Americans themselves (American people, American citizens, American national pride, American flag, North America continent, dollar, the American English, and all other stuff like that related to America! (phew) Phew ) but I simply don't like the USA government actions, along with Bush & Condoleezza Rice, and their puppets such as  Saakashvili & Yushchenko? I'll consider adding this red line to my profile or signature to avoid any further misunderstanding and misinterpretations. Stick out tongue
sanycool4  +  557583 Fri, 22 Aug 08 01:54 PM


Hello Ruslana,

Yes I sustained ur words...Am also same like.. I hate bush's rule because of Iraq..How many innocent people had been died. How many US military people had been died and finally did he get ?

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