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ISU_152  +  552870 Sat, 09 Aug 08 03:46 PM

Russia - Georgian border split Ossetian people to two part - half lived in Russian`s autonomy republic Nord Ossetia , half - in Georgians Autonomy repubic South Ossetia . In the time , while both land was be part of Soviet Union is be no problem for people,  but when Soviet Union was demolished the kin`s found himself lived in two different and not frendly country`s.
And when first Georgian president refused to confirm South Ossetia autonomy - he decide to separate from Georgia . I think he just do not want any customs between him and his kin`s in Nord Ossetia

This situation is often for east- and south Evropa , vhere  peoples hundred years lived in great multietnic Empires and today nobody can say where is land of one nation and where is land of another

best wish`s

 

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Avangi  +  552909 Sat, 09 Aug 08 04:49 PM
Hi ISU,

I read yesterday that the Ossetian people have their own language.  It seems like those who sit around tables and draw borders have very little common sense.  I read about North and South Ossetia, but did not realize that the northern portion is in Russia.

The average person in the US is totally unaware of this.  Only in the last couple of days has it broken into the popular news.  A typical news item:  "Russia has invaded Ossetia to try to regain control of the breakaway country."  That makes no sense at all when you're under the mistaken impression that the whole of Ossetia is really part of Georgia.

I join you in praying that this may soon come to a fair and peaceful conclusion.

  - A.
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AlgerianHodhod  +  552928 Sat, 09 Aug 08 05:11 PM
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i do really understand your point of view when you say that "the blacklash has been overwhelming ESPECIALLY in muslim countries" im muslim women i dont agree
but tell me why
Why a nun can be covered from head to toe in order to devote herself to God
But when Muslimah does the same she oppressed
When a western women stays at home to look after her house and kids she is respected because of sacrificing herself and doing good for the household
But when a Muslim woman does so by her will, they say, "she needs to be liberated

Any girl can go to university wearing what she wills and have her rights and freedom  but  when Muslimah wears a Hijab they prevent her from entering her university
When someone sacrfices
himself to keep others alive, he is noble and all respect him
whene a Palestinian does that to save his son from being killed, his brother's arm being  broken, his mother being raped, his home being destroyed, and his masjid being violated -- He gets the title of a terrorist !

Why? Because he is a Muslim !

When someone drives a perfect car in a bad way no one blames the car 
 But when any Muslim makes a mistak or treats people in a bad manner - people say "Islam is the reason
people believe what the newspapers say Without looking to the tradition of Islam.

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Avangi  +  552956 Sat, 09 Aug 08 07:12 PM
Hi, A H,

What you say makes a lot of sense.

In the US, we've had a few centuries to get used to having the nuns among us.  The town I grew up in was probably half Roman Catholic. But don't think we Protestant kids didn't make fun of them.  Some of the Catholic kids did too.  The Amish people in Pennsylvania take a lot of crap for their "strange ways," as do the Hasidic Jews in Los Angeles.  Prejudice seems to thrive everywhere.

I'm surely no authority on the subject, but it seems there are some countries with large Muslim populations, like Turkey and Iran, where some individuals have a certain degree of freedom to choose whether or not they want to observe all of the teachings of their religion in absolute strictness.  Many of the religions practiced in the US have very strict rules, but individual family members may choose to cut corners on some of the details.

We get news (propaganda in many cases) of how organizations like the Taliban subject women to very cruel treatment for even minor violations of the rules. There are certainly religious cults in the US where children and women are held captive and mistreated, but the law eventually catches up with them and puts a stop to it.

There are plenty of US cultural traditions which are disrespectful to women, and many women are trapped in bad situations, but they're legally free to seek whatever help is available.  What's shocking to us is that a government could be formed which would enforce religious law on every citizen, severely punishing those who might choose to live differently.

I think private institutions should be free to set their own dress codes, but public institutions should not descriminate against anyone. In the US, things like that are controlled by the individual states and local jurisdictions.  But when someone feels his rights under the Constitution are being violated, he may sue in court.

We all have to work to fight prejudice.  It sneaks up on us, both as victims and as perpetrators.  Hey, they just released the news that us white folks are now a minority in California!

Best wishes,  - A. 
Tanit  +  552975 Sat, 09 Aug 08 09:37 PM
Hi,

I reckon we should stay on topic (which was about a nation's intervention in a foreign country, wasn't it?).
If somebody is interested in discussing religious prejudice further, I suggest opening a new thread or replying to this old thread, where the contents posted by  AlgerianHodhod's can be found in the original post.

Thank you.
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Cool Breeze  +  553131 Sun, 10 Aug 08 09:57 AM
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“I wonder why the US spend so much energy, time and money in countries like Israel, Afghanistan, Korea, Japan and Iraq. What does it gain from intervening in those countries' politics? Please, no hateful messages. I'm curious about it. I would appreciate American and international replies.

 

Hi N2G

Throughout ages, great powers have tried to increase their sphere of influence. This is simply human nature. It feels great to be great and more powerful than one's neighbours. Thousands of years before the USA even existed, the great powers of those days waged wars on weaker peoples and annexed lands to become bigger still. In the old days there weren't necessarily even any reasons to try to "justify" these aggressive policies because democracy and the mass media hadn't been born and ignorance and slavery were rampant. In an insular world bad news travelled slowly, if at all. And even if the oppressed heard about the bad news, what could they do? Nothing.

In theory the USA is a great and just country. Its Constitution guarantees equal rights and opportunities to all. You just have to be American not to see the enormous discrepancies there are between the theory and the practice. Slaves were free in the USA? The blacks had equal rights? It is right to support dictators as leaders if they further US business interests? The USA has the right to kill democratically elected foreign heads of state and to replace them with ruthless dictators?

The USA has done a lot of good things in the world as well, let's not forget that, but basically its actions resemble those of most other superpowers that have gone before it. This is how future superpowers will conduct themselves as well unless science comes up with a less egoistic man.

CB

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ISU_152  +  553206 Sun, 10 Aug 08 12:34 PM

Sometimes i think this world need some evil alien`s to invade - nation`s better friendship is friendship against somebody Smile

Avangi  +  553302 Sun, 10 Aug 08 05:28 PM
ISU_152
“ evil alien`s to invade ”
Nothing unites us like a common enemy.  But as you say, we'll have to fight 'em there (so we don't have to fight 'em here).


Welcome back, Cool Breeze!
YoungCalifornian  +  554149 Wed, 13 Aug 08 02:03 AM
Cool Breeze

Throughout ages, great powers have tried to increase their sphere of influence. This is simply human nature. It feels great to be great and more powerful than one's neighbours. Thousands of years before the USA even existed, the great powers of those days waged wars on weaker peoples and annexed lands to become bigger still. In the old days there weren't necessarily even any reasons to try to "justify" these aggressive policies because democracy and the mass media hadn't been born and ignorance and slavery were rampant. In an insular world bad news travelled slowly, if at all. And even if the oppressed heard about the bad news, what could they do? Nothing.

In theory the USA is a great and just country. Its Constitution guarantees equal rights and opportunities to all. You just have to be American not to see the enormous discrepancies there are between the theory and the practice. Slaves were free in the USA? The blacks had equal rights? It is right to support dictators as leaders if they further US business interests? The USA has the right to kill democratically elected foreign heads of state and to replace them with ruthless dictators?

The USA has done a lot of good things in the world as well, let's not forget that, but basically its actions resemble those of most other superpowers that have gone before it. This is how future superpowers will conduct themselves as well unless science comes up with a less egoistic man.

Sheesh... I would never try to argue that the United States hasn't made its share of foreign policy mistakes or unjustified military actions, but comparing it to the majority of historic empires seems willfully ignorant.  You mention that in the "old days" states did not even attempt to justify their aggressive expansion, and you're right.  What do you think is the reason states now feel the need to do so?  There's no question that a comprehensive answer would identify a complex web of gradual causes, but clearly the primary reason is the emergence of the United States as a global military power.  This emergence fully and finally occurred with an attempt by the United States (and many other countries) to put and end to two very real and very deadly empires: Nazi Germany and Japan.  After the war the United States was the driving force behind the creation of the United Nations, whose primary mandate was, of course, the prevention of future wars of aggressive expansion.  Furthermore, with political, military, and economic aid the United States ensured that Western Europe would remain or become (depending the country) democratic.  One need only compare the fate of Western and Eastern Europe following the war to observe the underlying intentions of the United States.  Were empire-building among them, the state of Europe would be very different to this day.

As for your other assertion that there are "enormous discrepancies" between the ideal of American freedoms and the realities, and that Americans appear to be only ones unaware of them, I find it borderline insulting.  Of course Americans are aware of slavery, segregation, women's suffrage, and many other examples of our failure to live up to our founding principles.  They're brought up constantly.  Americans realize that ideals are there not be fully acheived (they never can be) but simply to be striven for.  The United States never can nor will be a utopian society , but we recognize that along with being honest about our past failures we are often given examples of how they can be overcome.

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