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Usage of "were" vs. "was"

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hamstringaj  #32045  Fri, 04 Jun 04 08:29 AM
Thank you Ryan, Mariam and others, for the very informative explanation. It was a good resolution to this question howering in my mind for years.
  
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molihua  #32064  Fri, 04 Jun 04 03:16 PM
for I and YOU pronouns...in rules of using is and are....singular nouns/pronouns normally follow the linking verb in singular form. However with I and YOU, even if they appear to be one person. I and YOU are exceptions. the proper grammar for it is:

"I" ---> the present tense for "were" is am. "were" is in the past form.
"YOU"---> the present tense for were is are.

You cannot say , " I are........." or "I is........" You is........" or You was..........." they always use the plural form of linking verbs.

That is the rule.........no matter what your construction sentences are.
  
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miriam  #32119  Sat, 05 Jun 04 05:29 AM
molihua,
If I understood your post correctly -but I'm not really sure I did- then your idea is not completely right.
"I" requires the "plural" form (to use your terminology) of the verb "to be" only in a very specific case (that of the subjunctive, which has been already explained).

Now, you refer not only to the verb "to be", but to linking verbs in general. And I'm afraid that is not accurate either. English verbs are not inflected for the plural.

Miriam

  
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jasonw  #40800  Wed, 04 Aug 04 06:30 PM
Great thread. I'm a native American born and raised in the South. You'd be amazed at the strange looks I receive for properly using was/were.
  
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CalifJim  #40841  Thu, 05 Aug 04 01:59 AM
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Brava! Brava! Brava!

Not to be prescriptive, I would like to *describe*Wink [;)] what's in my dictionary at a particular entry:

judgment (also judgement) ...

Did you know that? It leapt out at me because I had spelled it with the "e" in a grade school spelling bee more years ago than I'll ever admit, and I was out! Crying [:'(]

But seriously, is it a just a matter of getting students through tests? If so, unfortunately prescriptive is the way to go.

If they really want to know something about the living language, warts and all, then descriptive is where it's at.

Personally, if I was to be asked, I'd've found it hard to do prescriptive. hee hee heeSmile [:)]
  
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miriam  #40949  Thu, 05 Aug 04 03:04 PM
Jim,
I'm sorry you were out because of your correct spelling of "judgement". Yes, both forms are accepted, and I tend to use the one that takes the "e".

I don't know if the rest of your post was still about something I said. Would you please clarify it for me?

Thank you.

Miriam

  
Anonymous  #320656  Sat, 27 Jan 07 01:30 PM
Thank you both, Miriam and Ryan. I've been looking for the subtleties of the usage of 'were' vs 'was' with little success, having known for some time that both are grammatically correct. Being of practical mind, it strikes me as odd to use 'were' in the wishful/subjective sense, but since it seems to stypically strike others as less educated, I'm scratching it from my writing and speaking style altogether. Not knowing has bothered me for some time, so thanks again!
  
Marvin A.  #320696  Sat, 27 Jan 07 05:01 PM
>> Being of practical mind, it strikes me as odd to use 'were' in the wishful/subjective sense, but since it seems to stypically strike others as less educated <<

No! no! no! I think you must be confused. the "were" form does not strike others as "less educated". It's the *"If I was" form that does. The others were pointing out that in some dialects, in informal registers *"If I was" is not heavily stigmatized-- *not* that it is the correct form, but rather it is an *informal* form. In other dialects of English, such as my own, it is not even correct informally. "If I were" is the *only* correct form, and in fact is a set phrase.
  
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