Use of "The" with an acronym.

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Anonymous

#276243 Thu, 05 Oct 06 02:13 AM

If I say/write "We spoke to a person at the California Institute of Technology", this seems correct.
If I say/write "We spoke to a person at the CIT:, this does not seen correct. Rather;
"We spoke to a person at CIT." seems better.

Is there a rule about when to use "the" with an acronym?
Thanks

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Clive

#276301 Thu, 05 Oct 06 06:34 AM

Hi,

First, please note that your example is an abbreviation, not an acronym.

For an abbreviation you simply say the names of the letters, eg for FBI, we say eff bee eye.

For an acronym, we pronounce the letters as if they form a word, eg For NATO, we say nay toe.

Now, to answer your question about using 'the' with abbreviations. It's idiomatic. There are no absolute rules.

eg We say he's a student at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, or he's a student at MIT.
eg We say he works for the Federal Bureau of Investigation or he works for the FBI.

Best wishes, Clive

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Mister Micawber

#276302 Thu, 05 Oct 06 06:38 AM

I can't see that there is a rule-- there are too many variations:

The University of California at Los Angeles = UCLA
The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals - the SPCA
The North Atlantic Treaty Organization = NATO
The International Monetary Fund = the IMF

I don't have any qualms about using either CIT and the CIT, but then I don't use the term-- perhaps it depends on local practice.

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Grammar Geek

#276466 Thu, 05 Oct 06 02:59 PM

Actually, in that case, you'd say Caltech.

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Anonymous

#279594 Thu, 12 Oct 06 12:59 PM

Sweet, I can't I believe I actually found a forum discussing the exact issue I was looking for. Big Smile [:D] I hope this thread doesn't get lost and I can actually get some answers.

I have been going back and forth for weeks now with my co-workers about the rules (if there are any) in this area. A little background, I am an American working in Korea, and, as such, am the only native speaker at work. If you have ever dealt with non-native speakers, you know that one of the biggest problems they have is when to use "the" (and the default position seems to be always, e.g. "the Korea").

The word I am having trouble with is KIPO. It's a true acronym, not an abbreviation (i.e. you say Keypoh, not the letters K-I-P-O). I always thought it was a rule that you never use "the" with an acronym (e.g. NATO). Abbreviations, of course, seem to have no rules.

Looking forward to any responses.

Anonymous

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Grammar Geek

#279717 Thu, 12 Oct 06 04:36 PM

I hesitate to say "never" because as soon as you do, someone comes in with an exception. But in general, I agree. NATO, UNICEF, etc. don't take a "the."

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CalifJim

#279819 Thu, 12 Oct 06 07:45 PM

I wonder if it matters whether the acronym designates an institution or not.

I am familiar with a few acronyms that can take determiners, but they do not designate institutions.

-- Can you check this account for me?
-- Sure. What's the PIN? (Personal Identification Number)

-- What were the results of the ELISA? (Enzyme-Linked Immunosorbent Assay - a medical test)
-- Negative.

Still, it seems to me that I've heard one or two acronyms for institutions with "the". And they struck me as strange-sounding, but yet I think they exist even though I can't remember any just now.

CJ

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