Help using commas commas and more commas...

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Clive  #224757  Fri, 12 May 06 04:39 AM

Hi GG,

I took a quick look via google, and I'd hesitate to say always a comma after Arkansas.

eg from the Little Rock tourist site at www.littlerock.com -

A dynamic state capital, Little Rock, Arkansas offers exciting nightlife, a vibrant downtown convention and entertainment district, a wealth of unique sightseeing,   [etc. etc.]

Best wishes, Clive

  
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Grammar Geek  #224767  Fri, 12 May 06 05:07 AM

I'm biting my tongue - if my own father weren't from Arkansas, I'd make a snide comment about literacy and Arkansas... As you probably know, it has a less-than-stellar reputation for that. But it wouldn't be kind to do so and not at all fair to generalize. I'd add a comma after a state even at blueline.

What's the rule for Canadian provinces? e.g., Do you find Toronto, Ontario, to be very cold in the winter?

  
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Clive  #224774  Fri, 12 May 06 06:34 AM

Hi,

What's the rule for Canadian provinces? e.g., Do you find Toronto, Ontario, to be very cold in the winter? It's hard for me to say. In writing, I'd put the comma. In speaking, I know I probably should, but I don't feel I always pause at that point. In addition, we live in times of increasingly minimized commas.

What does blueline refer to? Is it the border line between states that are politically red and blue?

Clive

  
Grammar Geek  #224921  Fri, 12 May 06 07:23 PM

Oh sorry! Blueline is the final proof from the printer before your product is printed (or "goes to press"). Once you're "at blueline" in a print production schedule, the press is ready to roll and you're doing the final, final check. In the days before digitial priting, a change at blueline was very expensive, because they would have to redo the plates. Now, it's not so much, but you'll still incur additional charges for making changes at that point. So when I say "I'd make the change at blueline" it means I feel strongly enough about it that I'd take on the extra charge for making the change because I really think it needs to be there.

What about England? Do you write "First we go to Harrogate, Yorkshire, and then on to York"?

  
Seloc@n  #272746  Tue, 26 Sep 06 11:32 PM
thanks to you  all  for explanations
  
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Marius Hancu  #272754  Tue, 26 Sep 06 11:51 PM
 Grammar Geek wrote:

Perhaps this is another American thing, but here you always put a comma before AND after the state name when a city name is also included. 

That is my understanding too, and I feel it's justified.
  
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Marius Hancu  #272755  Tue, 26 Sep 06 11:53 PM
 Clive wrote:

What's the rule for Canadian provinces? e.g., Do you find Toronto, Ontario, to be very cold in the winter? It's hard for me to say. In writing, I'd put the comma.

Me too.
  
Petej  #421282  Wed, 19 Sep 07 10:25 PM

Can you help with the correct punctuation of the sentences below?  I am leaning toward the third sentence as the correct answer.

Wade Urban and, I believe, Mike Krzyzewski were two of the guys running along side me.

Wade Urban and, I believe Mike Krzyzewski, were two of the guys running along side me.

Wade Urban and I believe Mike Krzyzewski were two of the guys running along side me.


I would appreciate the help.


  
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Grammar Geek  #421300  Wed, 19 Sep 07 11:08 PM

Wade Urban and, I believe, Mike Krzyzewski were two of the guys running along side me.

The "I believe" is the parenthetical comment - the part that can come out and not affect the grammatical flow of the sentence - so it should be set off iwth commas.

  
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