Using "would" to make questions

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Viceidol  #487690  Wed, 12 Mar 08 12:50 AM

Affirmative: She would be at John's place.

Negative: She wouldn't be at John's place.

Will the question sentence be "Would she be at John's place?"?

Please enlighten me on this. Thank you very much!

 

  
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Grammar Geek  #487696  Wed, 12 Mar 08 01:23 AM

Sure, that's fine.

But how do you anticipate using these? If she had her choice, she would be at John's place. Something like that?

  
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Viceidol  #487716  Wed, 12 Mar 08 02:47 AM

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But how do you anticipate using these? If she had her choice, she would be at John's place. Something like that?

I was trying to use the "would" to express possibility. So I came up with these three sentences. It's like "A: Do you know where she is? B: She would (=may/might) be at John's place.".

  
New2grammar  #487804  Wed, 12 Mar 08 06:39 AM

This is interesting.

Can you really use 'would' as a substitute for may/might and still carry almost the same meaning?

 

  
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Grammar Geek  #487968  Wed, 12 Mar 08 01:09 PM

No.

She COULD be at John's place.

She WOULD be at John's place if... [something]

 

  
CalifJim  #488221  Thu, 13 Mar 08 01:21 AM
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Can you really use 'would' as a substitute for may/might and still carry almost the same meaning?

 

Yes, but in a very limited way.   As a general rule, no.  The use of will or would that way is not often heard in modern American English, for example.  may, might, and could are more often chosen to fill that role.  My personal opinion is that the reason for learning it is to be able to understand it if you read it in older literature.

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Viceidol  #488488  Thu, 13 Mar 08 02:52 PM

Actually one of my grammar books says "would" can be used to suggest "possiblity", so I thought that it could have the same meaning of "may/might", which suggests "possiblity".

If "would" cannot be used to suggest "possiblity" like may/might does, then what does the "would" mean in the following sentences? (All these sentences are from the book I mentioned above)

▲"Who is the man you want to speak to?"  "You wouldn't know him." (Shouldn't it mean the same thing as may/might not?)

▲It is estimated that a round-trip flight to Mars would take more than a year and a half. (Shouldn't it mean the same thing as may/might? Or this "would" is only a substitute of "will"?)

▲It has been estimated that the weight of all the insects destroyed by spiders in Britain in one year would be greater than the total weight of all the human beings in the country. (Shouldn't it mean the same thing as may/might?Or this "would" is only a substitute of "will"?)

The book also says "would have done" suggests "past possibilities", if "would" cannot be used to suggest "possiblity" like may/might does, then nethier will be "would have done". If  "would have done" cannot be used to suggests "past possibilities",  what would the "would have done" in the following sentences mean?

▲He would have reached New York.  (Shouldn't it mean the same thing as may have reached/might have reached?)

▲I thought you would have finished this by now.  (Shouldn't it mean the same thing as may have finished/might have finished?)

Please give me your opinion about this, thanks again!

 

  
Marius Hancu  #488494  Thu, 13 Mar 08 03:02 PM
 I think these two are a bit different, even though close:

 "You wouldn't know him." [I don't think that you know him, based on my experience, based on my typical experience; if you meet him he will not be a known face to you. Based on my experience, I imagine you do not know him.

 "You may not  know him." [It is possible that you don't know him

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 He would have reached New York by now. [From my experience, typically, I think that he is in NYC by now. I imagine he  is in NYC by now. 

 He may have reached New York by now. [It is possible that he is in NYC by now

Thus quite close, but not necessarily the same, to me, at least.

  
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CalifJim  #488676  Fri, 14 Mar 08 02:38 AM
Your book is trying to keep everything very simple.  Otherwise students will think English is too hard to learn!

would doesn't mean possible in the same way that may and might do.  would is actually more definite, more certain, than may or might, because if you say something may be true, it means maybe it's true, and maybe it's not truewould doesn't work that way.  would is probably the most difficult word in English to explain!

You wouldn't know him. (~ My guess is that you probably don't know him. ~ I strongly doubt that you know him. ~ There is nothing that leads me to think that you know him.) 

 A flight to Mars would take more than a year.  (In an imaginary world where flights to Mars are ordinary events, a flight to Mars takes more than a year.)  [This is a different usage from the usage in the first sentence.]

The weight of insects ... would be greater than the weight of ....  (In an imaginary world where we are able to make such measurements, the weight of insects ... is greater than the weight of ....)  [Same usage as in the second sentence.]

He would have reached New York. (In an imaginary world where certain conditions were met, he reached New York.)

I thought you would have finished this by now.  (In an imaginary world - the imaginary world created by my thoughts - you have already finished this.)

My paraphrases are only approximate.  There is no real definition of would.  You just need to hear it and imitate it a lot before you start to understand how to use it.  A clause with would is most often accompanied by an if clause that reveals more about the imaginary world we are in by expressing a condition.

CJ 

  
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