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MichalS  #261665  Fri, 01 Sep 06 12:56 PM
 Grammarian-bot wrote:

Thanks but you missed the other question. Here it is;

And what about this example; I am singing a song. Here we have a verb to be as an auxiliary. So would it be an operator (doesn't looks like one by the rules identified by you). If not then which word is the operator in this sentence. Also is it necessary for a sentence to have an operator.

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According to the grammar book I mentioned above it is an operator.

Yes a positive declarative sentence can exist without an operator, eg.: I worked hard.



  
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Inchoateknowledge  #261670  Fri, 01 Sep 06 01:19 PM

The main verb be and have are operators when they are the only verb in the verb phrase.

I am singing a song.

I do not think it is difficult to conlude from the definitions.

am is not an operator, still less it is singing

am here is an auxiliary verb, and not an operator.

  
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Inchoateknowledge  #261671  Fri, 01 Sep 06 01:21 PM

 MichalS wrote:
On the contrary, 'am' in 'I am drinking now' has only a grammatical meaning (says that the action takes place now) and not lexical and therefore is an operator.

"Funnily enough, the two sentence adverbials students of English get most confused about are on the contrary and on the other hand."

  
CalifJim  #261759  Fri, 01 Sep 06 07:44 PM
Operators are the modals, forms of be, and forms of do or have when these are not the main verb.

This means

Operators are the modals, all forms of be in any circumstances, main verb or not, and do or have when these (do and have) are not the main verb.

[This is not the same as

Operators are the modals and forms of be, do, and have when these are not the main verb.]

It is American usage that I have described above.

British usage allows inversion with main-verb have, so in British English, main-verb have may be added to the list of operators.  Have you an extra pen I might borrow?  Americans understand this passively, but don't often generate it.

That is why you will find conflicting information on operators, particularly have.
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Yes, the examples I gave were the unmarked versions.

To show be as an operator in a progressive tense context I might have included the following.

I am usually sunning myself in the back yard at 2 in the afternoon if the weather is good.

So now I think you can see why the following statement is not correct.

The example I am usually at home in the morning doesn't have an operator (since  am - form of be - is being used as a main verb).


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MichalS  #261772  Fri, 01 Sep 06 08:48 PM
 Inchoateknowledge wrote:

The main verb be and have are operators when they are the only verb in the verb phrase.

I am singing a song.

I do not think it is difficult to conlude from the definitions.

am is not an operator, still less it is singing

am here is an auxiliary verb, and not an operator.



Quirk says it is an operator as well.

A University Grammar of English        
2.4 Range of operators
  
Grammarian-bot  #261848  Sat, 02 Sep 06 11:24 AM
Well guys, I think you all are missing one thing; it's the very basic question.  The definition of operator. Uptill now no one has defined what operators actually are. Please do that thing for me.

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MichalS  #261853  Sat, 02 Sep 06 11:44 AM
You should have checked the link that CalifJim gave you. It states as follows:

(...)verbs that allow subject inversion (...) are called 'operators', so the rule for subject inversion is: 'put an operator before the subject'.
  
Maple  #261856  Sat, 02 Sep 06 11:54 AM

I think they have elaborately defined the operator they've been talking about, haven't they?

Verbs that allow subject inversion (and other grammatical patterns to be listed below) are called 'operators'

 CalifJim wrote:

Operators are the modals, all forms of be in any circumstances, main verb or not, and do or have when these (do and have) are not the main verb.

 
  
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CalifJim  #261946  Sat, 02 Sep 06 05:48 PM
I think you all are missing one thing; it's the very basic question.  The definition of operator. Up till now no one has defined what operators actually are.


Operators are verbs with special properties as explained in the article I cited for you above.

Some authors just call them auxiliary verbs, but that leaves out the cases where be or have is the main verb and still "operates" the same as an auxiliary with respect to negation, inversion, etc.  So other authors prefer to use both terms in order to focus on the slight differences.
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With regard to adverb placement (word order) and the terms marked and unmarked, see this site:

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:aYNuGzv8DNAJ:www.anglistik.uni-bonn.de/staff/ofiles/
GLC2-Sum01-Gram.pdf+grammar+operator+inversion+negation&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=8

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