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Anonymous  +  154226 Wed, 02 Nov 05 10:34 AM
Can anyone explain to me the verb complement structure of "John tends to get hungry."  My guess is that "to get hungry" is a direct object, but I am not sure. 
Mister Micawber  +  154311 Wed, 02 Nov 05 02:24 PM

No, to get hungry is the verb complement.  Not exactly a direct object.  It is not the object of tend-- it describes the tendency.

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Voxxi  +  154632 Thu, 03 Nov 05 06:29 AM

You say it is "Not exactly a direct object." Are you able to say what kind of verb complement it    is,exactly?   Traditionally, verb complements are either nouns (and these include verbal phrases that stand for nouns) or adjectives.  It seems that you are saying that "to get hungry" is neither of these, but is, instead, adverbial and, thus, a modifying phrase rather than a true complement.

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paco2004  +  154675 Thu, 03 Nov 05 09:14 AM

Hello V

Do you know what a complement is? A complement is a syntactic constituent that is indispensable to make a sentence meaningful. Let me prove "to get hungry" in "John tends to get hungry" is a complement. Take "to get hungry" from the sentence, then you will get a sentence fragment "John tends". Do you find any sense in the fragment "John tends"?  I'm sure you don't. So we have to deem this "to get hungry" as a complement.

An adverbial is a constituent that modifies a verb or a sentence. If a constituent is an adverbial, the sentence can make any sense even if that constituent is elided. Take the following sentence as an example: "John worked hard to save money". Let's leave out "to save money", then we get "John worked hard". This elision leads to the loss of some additional information contained in the original sentence, but the resulted sentence still retains the main sense of the original sentence. So we can say "to save money" in this case is an adverbial.

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Voxxi  +  154689 Thu, 03 Nov 05 10:30 AM

If you read my letter carefully, you will see that I was trying to fathom what Mr. Pedantic was saying.  That is all.  In view of that, I found the rhetorical thrust of your response a little sharp!  In one respect, I think your analysis errs. You said: "An adverbial is a constituent that modifies a verb or a sentence. If a constituent is an adverbial, the sentence can make any sense even if that constituent is elided."  What about a sentence like, "No one is here"?  It does not make sense without the adverb.  Tha same applies with the use of prepositional phrases that are used adverbially after linking verbs: "The boys are in the room."  Notwithstanding this, in traditional grammer -- as I have already stated and as you clearly already know -- verb complements are only nouns and adjectives.

What is interesting is that the original question remains unanswered!  Don't you think?  Infinitives may act adverbially, but that does not apply in this case.  I am inclined to say that Anon's hunch was correct: the infinitive phrase is a direct object verb complement.   I hope I am humble enough to take it if I am wrong!

paco2004  +  154693 Thu, 03 Nov 05 10:53 AM

Hi V

I am sorry but I have to say I can't agree to your analyses. "No one is here" makes some sense even when we take out "here". You have to know this "be" is used in the sense of  "exist". "No one exists here". Take out "here". Then "No one exists". I feel this still makes sense.


paco

paco2004  +  154724 Thu, 03 Nov 05 12:29 PM

This message is my monologue. I would not speak to anyone. It's just my monologue.

I think it's not wise to relate "complement" to certain parts of speech, i.e., nouns and adjectives. Take a construction of "He seems". It takes various forms of speech.
            Paco seems [foolish] …. adjective.
            Paco seems [a fool] ….. noun.
           
Paco seems [to be a Japanese person]  … infinitive clause.
            Paco seems [as if he were mad]. …. as-if clause.
As seen above, a variety of forms can be as the complement of "He seems", but indeed all of them can function as the complement of "He seems".  

paco

Voxxi  +  154732 Thu, 03 Nov 05 12:56 PM
OK...   Too, a rather conventional response to a question like, "Is anyone there?" could be, "No one is" or ... (ta da!), "I am."  However, aren't these elliptical sentences? 
Voxxi  +  154736 Thu, 03 Nov 05 01:05 PM

I think I'll dig my heels in on this one.  Your exceptional cases may be understood within a conventional subject complement framework.  

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