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Latest post Thu, Jun 14 2007 1:30 PM by Forbes. 10 replies.
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Stannum  +  378174 Mon, 11 Jun 07 08:57 PM

I have read a bit of John Locke and was wondering if his views are accepted uncritically as being an absolute truth beyond debate and that us mere plebs must simply bask in the words of the Great man or is it possible that, as John Locke was writing in times of oppressive Religious Censorship, some of his opinions have been slyly written so as to give the appearance of going along with dogmatic principles but were actually white-anting the very establishment of Organised Religions by using circumloquotuous language, and hyper-punctuated punctuation, along with exquisitely subtle syntatical changes, and misplaced words and phrases, in an apparent attempt to occult his actual agenda from those with the power, albiet covert, to cause the mass renunciation of his work?

Stannum

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Forbes  +  378650 Tue, 12 Jun 07 08:04 PM

Apparently not. I quote Bertrand Russell: "Locke is the most fortunate of all philosophers. He completed his work in theoretical philosophy just at the moment when the government of his country fell into the hands of men who shared his political opinions."

What I like about Locke is that he believed (and I quote Bertrand Russell again) "that the truth is hard to ascertain, and that a rational man will hold his opinions with some doubt."

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Stannum  +  378691 Tue, 12 Jun 07 09:40 PM

G'day Forbes,

I quite agree.

This is why I find it extraordinary and ironic at the most intellectual level I have ever seen irony demonstrated {your locked Locke thread should be a case study for a couple of PhDs} at such a deeply philosophical angle.  I doubt that it is possible to be more philosophically ironic than to censor debate on the opinion that no truth is self evident.

I must say that I tend to avoid quoting too many opinions as I try to form mine.

What a happy coincidence for John Locke that the political usurpers shared his views on freedom of discussion as this is rarely the case.  This makes his use of such circumloquotus language so puzzling to me.  Why cloak his opinion in such conflbulative language if he was free to write his own opinion?

Stannum

Forbes  +  378806 Wed, 13 Jun 07 01:25 AM

 Stannum wrote:

This is why I find it extraordinary and ironic at the most intellectual level I have ever seen irony demonstrated {your locked Locke thread should be a case study for a couple of PhDs} at such a deeply philosophical angle.  I doubt that it is possible to be more philosophically ironic than to censor debate on the opinion that no truth is self evident.

Having thought about it I strongly suspect that the John Locke quote is only locked because it is pinned at the very top of this forum as a shining beacon of reasonableness. We are debating him in this thead and it has not been censored!

 Stannum wrote:

What a happy coincidence for John Locke that the political usurpers shared his views on freedom of discussion as this is rarely the case. 

To answer that I need to get in a debate about the Glorious Revolution. I restrict myself to saying that the Kings and Queens of England were not absolute monarchs compared to their counterparts in, say, France and Russia. On the whole, kings were not deposed if they did a moderately good job. It tended to be the weak or mad kings who were deposed. The Stuarts were an annoyance as they believed in the divine right of kings. As to being "usurpers" that raises the question of the legitimacy of the "usurped". We can, for an instance, go back to Henry VII whose claim to the throne was pretty weak. Further back, William the Conqueror won the throne by a trick.

 Stannum wrote:

This makes his use of such circumloquotus language so puzzling to me.  Why cloak his opinion in such conflbulative language if he was free to write his own opinion?

He was writing three centuries ago.

Stannum  +  378814 Wed, 13 Jun 07 01:41 AM

You are absolutely right.  I don't know what I was thinking to even bother to open this thread.  Sir John Locke's, forelock tug, shining reasonablessness is more than enough for me and every other person who can decipher three century old gobbldygook and that seems to limit such knowledge to the proud few in  possession of the Key of higher English.

Stannum

Forbes, 2 yr 165 days ago
 Stannum wrote:

 forelock tug

???

Stannum  +  379028 Wed, 13 Jun 07 01:36 PM
 Forbes wrote:
 Stannum wrote:

 forelock tug

???

I was cocking my snoot at the incredibly confused utterly pompous tone and language employed by John Locke to expand upon, 'Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.'  How many words and commas did Mr Locke employ to confer this nugget upon us?

I meant no disrespect to any person except a pretentious dead white male.

Stannum

Forbes  +  379169 Wed, 13 Jun 07 06:46 PM

We are clearly not going to agree on this one. I happen to feel that the quote I posted is eloquently phrased.

P.S. It's a good job I broke it up into paragraphs.Surprise [:O]

Stannum  +  379200 Wed, 13 Jun 07 07:48 PM
 Forbes wrote:
We are clearly not going to agree on this one. I happen to feel that the quote I posted is eloquently phrased.

P.S. It's a good job I broke it up into paragraphs.Surprise [:O]

Do you believe that the quote you posted would be a reasonable choice for an English language comprehension test in 2007?

Stannum

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