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MC    900592 Fri, 06 Mar 09 01:12 PM

Here's one from the Telegraph:
There is, we keep being told by those whose juices fail to flow at the prospect of Owen Wilson and Jennifer Aniston stroking their dog in Marley and Me, no film more eagerly awaited in 2009 than Watchmen. It¹s hard to know why. Director Zack Snyder had box-office tills ringing with his blood-soaked, muscle-brained treatment of Frank Miller¹s graphic novel 300. What chance, though, does he have of making Alan Moore¹s 1986 12-part comic come to life when it has already stymied the likes of Terry Gilliam, Darren Aronofsky and Paul Greengrass?

³My book is a comic book. Not a movie. It¹s been made in a certain way, and designed to be read in a certain way: in an armchair, nice and cosy next to a fire, with a steaming cup of coffee.²
Cosy is one way of putting it. Set in a 1985 in which Richard Nixon is still in power and on the verge of going to nuclear war with the Soviet Union, Watchmen presents a paranoid dystopia in which even the superheroes are flailing and impotent.It¹s also a whodunnit. A guy called Edward Blake (Jeffrey Dean Morgan), formerly a thuggish vigilante known as Comedian, is thrown off the top of a New York building. His fall is aesthetically striking, and ­ to one of his old associates, Rorschach (Jackie Earle Haley), a borderline-sociopath whose face is covered by bandages across which black inkblots float and drift ­ deeply disturbing. Soon, a bunch of Comedian¹s old chums re-emerge: Dan Dreiberg, aka Nite Owl (Patrick Wilson), an angsty tech-whizz; Adrian Veidt, formerly Ozymandias (Brideshead Revisited¹s Matthew Goode), a smug and quasi-Aryan über-businessman; Laurie Jupiter, or Silk Spectre (Malin Akerman), bursting with busty appeal.

Most ­ and literally biggest ­ of all, there¹s Laurie¹s boyfriend Jon Osterman, or Dr Manhattan (Billy Crudup), a scientist transformed by a radiation accident into a blue supra-human who was used by Nixon to bring the Viet Cong to its knees.

It becomes clear that a plan exists, though it¹s unclear who is orchestrating it, to destroy the planet. Part of the plan involves getting rid of the Watchmen: Rorschach is slung in jail for a crime he didn¹t commit; Dr Manhattan is plunged into such emotional despair that he exiles himself on Mars. The screenplay, by David Hayter and Alex Tse, does a good job at retaining the teeming, interlinked, hyper-allusive strands of the original comic book without losing complete track of structure and coherence. It portrays, with convincing apocalyptic dread, mid-Eighties New York both in generic terms (the engloomed, rain-lashed city so darkly beloved of pulp novelists) and with a sociological edge (in economic freefall, its streets full of knife-wielding criminals).

And yet, although global annihilation in the offing, Snyder is so besotted with Moore¹s book that he feels he has to include almost every detail. He dawdles interminably. Slow pans, slow tilts, slo-mo: there¹s simply not enough kick or energy to justify the 160-minute running time.

There are lighter touches: Leonard Cohen¹s Hallelujah is heard during a deliberately overripe sex scene between Clark Kent and Lois Lane ­ er, Nite Owl and Silk Spectre. But Snyder, who walked the thin line between camp and psychotic so adroitly in 300, fails to calibrate ambience as effectively here. He loves his violence, of course. Choice scenes include women¹s heads slammed against pool tables, a pregnant woman shot at close range, boiling oil hurled over a human face, a meat cleaver hacking a paedophile¹s skull, dogs dismembering and chewing an abused girl.
³What has happened to us? What has happened to the American dream?² a character asks. The answer might be: ³You, Zack Snyder. Man-boy directors, blessed with skill but no soul, content to peddle enervatingly reverential treatments of soft porn for kidults.²

You will not be surprised to learn that American Teen, by documentarian Nanette Burstein, is a film about American teens. What is surprising, though, is that Burstein decided to make it. American teenagers are hardly invisible or inaudible today ­ either at movie theatres or in our culture at large. They¹re the target demographic for a dismayingly large percentage of commercial releases. Watchmen, for instance. Sitcoms, pop music, the internet: through these media forms, all of them with a reach that extends well beyond the US, the tastes and values of American teenagers end up getting normalised.
In spite, or possibly because of this, it¹s understandable if some filmmakers try and find ³real² American teenagers in order to expose the gulf between their lives and the kinds of narratives constructed about them by the entertainment industry.
Burstein, whose previous films include The Kid Stays in the Picture (2002) about Hollywood producer Robert Evans, knows a good deal about that latter topic. The five high-schoolers, 17 years old and on the brink of leaving for college or the labour market, live in Warsaw, Indiana. They¹re all white, a detail that speaks volumes about the racial assumptions that underpin the popular image of an American teenager. Some are wealthier than others: Megan, assertively confident, expects to go to her family¹s alma mater, the University of Notre Dame; Colin, by contrast, can only afford his tuition fees if he wins a basketball scholarship.
Burstein unobtrusively and sympathetically tracks these youngsters as they do all the things that people their age do: worry about their hair, make out in swimming pools, deface other students¹ homes, use the word ³suck² every two sentences. Hannah dreams of working in the movies. Introverted Jake plays video games a lot.
The existence of a world beyond that of their suburban homes arises only when one of them talks about not wishing to join the army. Burstein jollies up the fly-on-the-wall TV-realisms with split screens, text messages and Facebook-like scripts, and gothic animation sequences dramatising the traumas her subjects talk about.
I didn¹t dislike any of them. But, even by the standards of late adolescence, they come across as incredibly self-absorbed. Their speech patterns and thought processes seem no different from, and may even be mimicking unconsciously, those of teenagers in Hollywood movies. Perhaps that is Burstein¹s anthropological (and depressing) point: there is no authentic identity left for American teenagers ­ or American directors ­ to explore.

You don't write to be understood, you write to understand yourself. Martin Deschamps
MC
Anonymous    900610 Fri, 06 Mar 09 01:37 PM

I dunno about the graphic novels - never read them - but I saw an interview with the the actor who plays the Blue Guy, who is naked throughout the movie - this was discussed. The clips showed the Blue Guy's nether regions in a blur. I mean, give the guy Speedos at least. I dunno about the story, but this seems like a really stupid decision. No parent will take the kids to see a naked blue guy.
MC    900611 Fri, 06 Mar 09 01:46 PM

"I dunno about the graphic novels - never read them - but I saw an interview with the the actor ... but this seems like a really stupid decision. No parent will take the kids to see a naked blue guy."

This doesn't seem like a film parents would want their kids to see anyway - which of course more or less guarantees kids will want to see it.

You don't write to be understood, you write to understand yourself. Martin Deschamps
MC
Michael    900625 Fri, 06 Mar 09 03:15 PM

"³My book is a comic book. Not a movie. It¹s been made in a certain way, and designed to be ... anthropological (and depressing) point: there is no authentic identity left for American teenagers ­ or American directors ­ to explore."

Just read a review in Screen Int'l. Says it will make money despite all the above.
Meanwhile in what looks like being a bona-fide cult phenomenon, the opening of the "Millennium" trilogy (also about two hours incidentally), packed in 350,000 spectators in Sweden and Denmark alone over the weekend.

It's a dark tale about a dark family, incidentally. Am I seeing trends here or what?
Martin B    900644 Fri, 06 Mar 09 06:22 PM

"MC"
"boiling oil hurled over a human face"

This reminds me of a rather shameful memory.
When I was still a student I used to do my laundry myself at a laundromat around the corner. I'd usually go around 8:30 or 9:00 on a Sunday morning when there were only a few people about.
One morning I went in as the laundry opened at 7:30 am. (Can't remember why I was so early, probably fighting a hangover.) There was no one there except me and the attendant who was busy at the back.

As I sat watching the machine I noticed out of the corner of my eye someone walk in the door. I looked up to see a tall dark-skinned woman. From her features she was probably Indian. I couldn't tell exactly because half her face looked like it had been moulded out of a virulent pink candlewax then melted with a blow torch.
Clearly it was some type of burn injury, whether by flame or acid attack I couldn't tell.
The shameful thing is that my face showed an expression that was a mixture of shock, horror and disgust in that first instant as I glanced up. It was just a fraction of a second, then I remembered that nice people treat everyone the same and I composed my features.
But she saw my look of horror. I know because our eyes met and I saw my expression register with her. She immediately turned around and walked out. I never saw her again.
And I feel bad because I know that my reaction caused pain to her because it was a reminder to her that her face looks horrible. That is the raw gut feeling it evokes.
I'm sure she doesn't want to cause other people to feel horror. So, I'm assuming, she only goes out when no one else is around, or the people she meets are familiar with her condition and accustomed to it, I don't know her story.
I wish it wasn't so, but the fact is some things are just plain horrific, and unless you are used to this, for example if you work in E.R., your first uncensored reaction is one of horror. You can't control it.

Martin B
Brian Christgau    900701 Fri, 06 Mar 09 08:39 PM

"I dunno about the graphic novels - never read them - but I saw an interview with the the actor who plays the Blue Guy, who is naked throughout the movie - this was discussed.  The clips showed the Blue Guy's nether regions in a blur.  I mean, give the guy Speedos at least."

The "Blue Guy" is Dr. Manhattan, and his nudity is an important part of the character. Being able to regulate his own body temperature (amongst other things) he has no real need for clothes, wearing them at first for the sake of other people's comfort. Eventually disposing with them altogether, which becomes a sign of how divorced he has become from his own humanity. Moore says he got the idea when looking at a conceptual sketch of the character by Dave Gibbons modelled after DaVinci's "Virtruvian Man".
I recall Joel Silver joking that he wanted to produce WATCHMEN (the Gilliam version) just so he could strip Arnold Schwarzenegger naked and paint him blue.
I dunno about the story, but this seems like a really stupid
"decision."

Americans really have a problem with penis (and nudity in general), don't they? A shot of one usually has gotten a movie an instant NC-17 rating. However the penis in WATCHMEN is evidently going to be a CGI penis, so maybe that will take some of the horror out of the experience for American audiences.
Ease up America. The penis is not your enemy. The penis is your friend. Make it happy and it will make you happy.
"No parent will take the kids to see a naked blue guy."

Well first of all, WATCHMEN is not for kids. The comic was written with a very adult audience in mind and, presumably, the film was as well. But hey, if you have a problem with that, there's always the WATCHMEN Saturday morning cartoon:

Cheers,
B
Martin B    900713 Fri, 06 Mar 09 09:15 PM

"Brian Christgau"
"Moore says he got the idea when looking at a conceptual sketch of the character by Dave Gibbons modelled after DaVinci's "Virtruvian Man"."

Reminds me of a lovely cartoon I saw once:
In a medieval building is a long queue of naked men. In a shaft of light stands a frame made of a square and a circle, with a depressed-looking Leonardo seated staring at it. In the frame stands a nondescript naked man. He is in the arms-outstretched, legs-apart position, and a complete mismatch with the frame. The caption: "Next."

Martin B
Alan Brooks    900728 Fri, 06 Mar 09 09:34 PM

"Here's one from the Telegraph: And yet, although global annihilation in the offing, Snyder is so besotted with Moore¹s book ... hurled over a human face, a meat cleaver hacking a paedophile¹s skull, dogs dismembering and chewing an abused girl."

AO Scott of the NY Times and Anthony Lane of The New Yorker panned it way beyond the Telegraph. Lane said that if you sit through the opening credits you've seen the best of it and can (and should) leave. AO Scott asked that we never have to hear "Hallelujah" again as a love overture (personally, I can't hear that song without thinking: "Shrek").
To me a graphic novel is still a comic book. You can dress it up with fancy words if you want but I just want it to be fun, colorful and grandiose, and I want the heroes to beat the bad guys and the men and women to be both incredibly attractive with exaggerated sexual characteristics, but also to be utterly sexless.
In other words, I want my comics to be exactly the way they were when I was 12, and that's why last year's "Iron Man" nailed it for me. If I want angst I'll watch Bergman. If I want a brooding superman I'll read Nietzsche. Comics are all about escapism. Why would I want all that reality mixed into it? Do we need a female superhero who gets raped by a male superhero, but won't openly accuse him because, well, she's sort of hot for him? This is like Neal's complaint that vampire stories shouldn't have actual sex because the point of vampirism is to be a sort of repressed sex-substitute.

Grown men (and women) who try to bring adult angst and darkness into comics are holding onto the wrong part of their youth and trying to deliver to young people the worst part of being adult. It's like the Japanese obsession with sexed-up comics. Is that actually titillating to anyone? It's the written version of Hooters it's for people who want to be at a strip club but don't have the nerve to go there.
Alan Brooks

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Anonymous    900758 Fri, 06 Mar 09 11:54 PM

""MC""

"boiling oil hurled over a human face"

"This reminds me of a rather shameful memory. When I was still a student I used to do my laundry ... if you work in E.R., your first uncensored reaction is one of horror. You can't control it. Martin B"

There is nothing to do about the first response to the first exposure. But I've seen a lot, and I'm sure you have too. I do ask what happened, and it's always a good lesson. My neighbor got an ear, I got a story for the afternoon, she got to tell someone what happened.
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