Wenchuan earthquake & Tibet disturbances

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Ruslana  #522364  Tue, 03 Jun 08 10:14 AM

Well, for those who believe in inexplicable power and for those who don't...

In the middle of March we all heard about mass disturbances in Tibet, and a month later a terrible earthquake took place in Wenchuan country. Considering that Tibet is a holy place and thus is somehow sensible to... people's mood & energy (?), do you think that the disturbances (the negative atmosphere in the region) could "provoke" the earthquake?

I know it may sound meaninglessly, but do we really know anything about such correlations?

  
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Dew 2007  #522457  Tue, 03 Jun 08 03:23 PM
Though I believe in the force of  the people's thoughts, I don't think that it was a kind of actions thepeople of Tibet could do. Mostly, vecause I believe they ae the ones who would never dream of doing harm to the others.

Nor do I thionk that it's a kind of Holy force.
God can never be as bad and cruel.
  
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Ruslana  #522476  Tue, 03 Jun 08 03:56 PM

I didn't mean that people of Tibet exerted themselves and decided to harm the others. Sure they wouldn't have done this. 

My thought was that, influenced by the anger and the negative energy caused by disturbances in the region, Mother Nature couldn't remain calm and reacted the way it did. My thought is that the earthquake was kind of punishment for the Chinese people for the attempt to "harm" Tibet (a place with - as considered - positive energy) and its people. Although a lot of innocent people perished during the disaster, of course... Sad.

I don't think God can't be cruel. He can as well as he can be kind. In other words, God's mood is not a constant value. If God was always kind, people wouldn't have had all the disasters and problems they have had during the ages, and are still having. By the way, the Nature and God are the same for me. Smile (My own perception, though.)

  
Goodman  #522512  Tue, 03 Jun 08 05:01 PM

Hi Guys, 

This is my view. China, as we know it, didn’t come into existence overnight.  She went through many rebellions, political struggles, regional conflicts and wars over a few thousand years to become a consolidated power.  For those who have never been to China, nor have studies the culture , China is much like U.S. in geographic terms and made up of different tribes from different regions.  The features of the people varies depending on the origins. But they are Chinese, just like the Chinese in Taiwan, some of whom tried to declare her independence under president “Chin Siu Bein” but ran into opposition by the Mainland Chinese government who also through US and international influence prohibited the movement. With the new president, Ma , elected two months ago, Taiwan is trending toward a mutual dialog with the Mainland that perhaps can lead to a possible reunification with the Mainland government in the future. For the Chinese, it is a good thing to happen as a people.  Tibet had, and has been a part of China hundreds of years longer than US has been a country and that is a fact which can’t be changed, just like California and New York are part of the United States. How do we feel if these two states want to be free from the Union?  Do we chant “free California, free New York” while pacing back and forth with protest signs in front of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave?  There are always a few of those who stir the pot. That’s politics.

 

 

  
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rigpa90  #522589  Tue, 03 Jun 08 08:16 PM
I don't mean to be offensive, but such comments are idiotic. If God is punishing the "Chinese", he must be punishing the Tibetans too.

The earthquake took place in Tibet, for God's sake! The epicenter of the quake was located in Ngawa Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture, Wenchuan County. This is an area claimed by the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan government-in-exile as part of Amdo, Tibet. According to the 2000 census, over 50% of the population in Ngawa is ethnic Tibetan, and almost 20% is ethnic Qiang, followers of Tibetan Buddhism (and also claimed by the Dalai Lama).  Tibetans have also died in other earthquake-affected Tibetan areas, including Rongtrak (or Tenpa, Chinese: Danba) County in Kardze (Chinese: Ganzi) Prefecture and Zhouqu (Drugchu) County in Kanlho (Gannan) Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture, Gansu province.

The Chinese government is too busy saving lives to separate casualties by ethnicity.  Few Westerners realize that countless numbers of Tibetans have also perished in the earthquakes. 


Please do what you can to help. The Tibet Foundation is collecting donations:
http://www.justgiving.com/tibetearthquake

  

  
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Osee  #526992  Fri, 13 Jun 08 08:48 PM

So Ruslana,

You see USA gets flood, is this a bad thing after bad? And I also know just several weeks after China earthquake, Russia got an earthquake around 5.4 magnitude, let me ask you what's kind of bad things happened in Russia before which result in the earthquake?

How much you know about Tibet or Dalai Lama which makes you blame my country? Do you think you were being so rude and idiotic to say so?

Believe it or not, Tibet people are part of the Chinese, we love each other. Do not confuse Dalai Lama with Tibet people.

Dalai Lama was the master of slavery system of Tibet.

He and his followers were only 5% population of Tibet people, but they controlled more than 92% resource of Tibet. All other Tibet people were his slaves having a miserable life. It was the communist troop who liberated Tibet people and brought them a much happier life afterwards. And it is this reason that makes Dalai Lama hate the Chinese. He has been doing everything he could trying to confuse people in the world.

Watch this video

 (Forgive the angry words, but it tells you some facts).

I do not expect this video will change your mind, but at least I hope you will give your words a second thoughts.

Ruslana

I didn't mean that people of Tibet exerted themselves and decided to harm the others. Sure they wouldn't have done this. 

My thought was that, influenced by the anger and the negative energy caused by disturbances in the region, Mother Nature couldn't remain calm and reacted the way it did. My thought is that the earthquake was kind of punishment for the Chinese people for the attempt to "harm" Tibet (a place with - as considered - positive energy) and its people. Although a lot of innocent people perished during the disaster, of course... Sad.

I don't think God can't be cruel. He can as well as he can be kind. In other words, God's mood is not a constant value. If God was always kind, people wouldn't have had all the disasters and problems they have had during the ages, and are still having. By the way, the Nature and God are the same for me. Smile (My own perception, though.)

  
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Panpandemic  #527148  Sat, 14 Jun 08 05:43 AM
Hi all,
Oneliners usually don't do it but this one does:

Knowing a little about something is more dangerous than knowing nothing about it at all.

All governments are hypocrites.
Welcome to Anarchy.
  
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Jing  #529205  Wed, 18 Jun 08 04:47 PM
 

Knowing a little about something is more dangerous than knowing nothing about it at all.

I like this. Someone should try to know more about what the real history is, at least what the real fact is, before talking about politics.

  
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Ruslana  #530214  Fri, 20 Jun 08 05:16 PM

Hey Osee,

Thanks for the video. It clearly gives a point of view to consider.

By the way, there's no need to get nervous. I am sorry if my words harmed you, but if you read my posts again, you'll find that I NOWHERE said that Tibet should be FREE. In fact, I have NO IDEA whether Tibet shall remain a part of China or not since I don't know the REAL history of the region perfectly (no one knows, I bet, because it has been muddled for ages to satisfy politic claims, as well as the REAL history of all the other countries).

The only thought I wanted to sound starting this thread is that Tibet, as a geographic region - NOT political, is considered a holy place (isn't it?) and so is probably receptive to the change of people's energy. There were disturbances, and they, like a stone thrown into water, might cause the earthquake, - rounds of the thrown stone. If the USA gets flood, or tornados, or any other disasters, - well, I dare say (oh golly! how many fiery feedback I'm going to receive from Americans now! Zip it!) that they may deserve it, in a way, for all the deeds the USA government has done to the world. Why do mere people have to suffer for that? It is another question. But you may be wanting to watch the movie called Zeitgeist to have another point of view to consider. As to Russia, it also has some deeds to be punished for, as any human, or country, or whatever.

  
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