Ruthhao  +  64931 Mon, 03 Jan 05 08:47 AM I think Chinese are conservative and hard-working. They are not so open to the outside world so they might stick to their own 'kind'. Strangely one of my professor thinks that Chinese are crafty. "face" means Chinese care what they look like in others' eyes. Ruthhao Joined on Mon, Jan 3 2005 New Member 14

	Ruthhao  +  64938 Mon, 03 Jan 05 09:21 AM I really sympathize with those foreign experts and students who come to the English Corner. As soon as they arrive there, Chinese students would rush forward to begin a press conference. Anyway, those students are just want to better their English. To a Chinese, the relation with the others is much more important than what individual does. This might be caused by the culture of collectivism. Ruthhao

	Ruthhao  +  64939 Mon, 03 Jan 05 09:37 AM There is no need to argue about whether Chinese are snobbish or not. To Floral: If the comment make you feel unpleasant, please think it over before you make any response. Those unpleasant comments always have some truth in it. Please face it bravely and make progress, rather than not to hear it at all. Ruthhao

	vinodram  +  64954 Mon, 03 Jan 05 10:31 AM Thats correct Ruthhao what ever we say through this forums are been to all those who are out there in the world. I think that the chinese people are the best persons for there courage and brave acts. They are also the persons who are our neighbour and so we know about them very well... vinodram Joined on Tue, Jul 13 2004 Chennai, India Full Member 360 Vidhya dhathathe vinayam | Vinayath yathi pathrathvam || Pathrathvath Janam apnothi | Janah dharmam thatus sukam||

	PantsDaddy  +  65101 Tue, 04 Jan 05 01:06 AM chinese people are pretty good a math, generally smart, and hard working. they have a pretty strict culture compared to me. i have a few friends whos parents are from china, and they are never allowed to do anything, not to mention they are very hard workers. PantsDaddy Joined on Mon, Jan 3 2005 New Member 06

	bikemoon  +  66175 Sat, 08 Jan 05 12:25 AM Could I please ask why an apology for using the word "snobby" should be made? I ask this question because I believe that if we live in a democratic society, then its individual members should have the right to voice their opinions, no matter how "politically incorrect" they might seem. Something else which should be borne in mind, I believe, is the fact that not every member of society has had a university education, nor have a large number of people even been to secondary school. If we are to adhere diligently to a set of "politically correct" rules, then I believe a large number of people will be excluded from having an opinion because of their inability to express themselves "correctly". If they cannot express themselves within "politically correct" constraints, does this invalidate their opinion? bikemoon Joined on Sat, Jan 8 2005 New Member 01 Universities, Dates

	Ruthhao  +  66269 Sat, 08 Jan 05 08:19 AM Floral asking for an apology is only due her own hurt feelings, I think. She does not intend to forbid others to speak out their opinions and she can't. I wonder whether she uses the right way to express her love to her country. But if you relate an individual behavior to a democratic society, it sounds like making a fuss. (Sorry if I talk too straight, I don't mean to offend you.) Ruthhao