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Teo  #442448  Wed, 14 Nov 07 11:13 AM

1. What do you mean I lost?

2. What do you mean by saying that I lost?

#1 is quoted from a dictionary. Is #2 also acceptable?

  
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Doll  #442449  Wed, 14 Nov 07 11:21 AM
I always use 2. Smile [:)] I like long and formal forms.
  
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Clive  #442482  Wed, 14 Nov 07 02:16 PM

Hi,

1. What do you mean, "I lost"?

Clive

  
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Teo  #443130  Fri, 16 Nov 07 04:55 AM

 Clive wrote:
1. What do you mean, "I lost"?

I hit the ball in first! What do you mean I lost? (Quoted from a dictionary)

Why use quotation marks? It's indirect speech, isn't it?

  
khoff  #443139  Fri, 16 Nov 07 05:46 AM

Clive, I think your version (What do you mean, "I lost"?) does not mean what the original (What do you mean I lost?) meant.  Are you assuming that the orignal speaker said "I lost" rather than "you lost"?

Original meaning:

Bob:  You lost, Jim.

Jim: What do you mean I lost?

Meaning of your version:

Bob:  Oh no, I lost!

Jim: What do you mean, "I lost"?

 

  
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Clive  #443141  Fri, 16 Nov 07 06:17 AM

Hi,

What do you mean, "I lost"?

I hit the ball in first! What do you mean I lost? (Quoted from a dictionary)

Why use quotation marks?

It's indirect speech, isn't it? True, in that scenario. But in this one, it's direct speech.

A: I had a winning position on the chess board, but I lost.

B: What do you mean, "I lost"?

A: My chess clock ran out of time before I could move.

Here's another approach, which is the thought I originally had. I admit that I may perhaps be on weak ground here, but here's what I was thinking. We sometimes use quotation marks to draw attention to the fact that we are sceptical about the word or phrase we are using. eg Tom told Mary that he 'loved' her. This suggests that the speaker doesn't believe Tom. That's why I put quotes around the phrase 'I lost', to show that the speaker was highly sceptical about the assertion. I should probably have put single quotes rather than double.

One final thought. If you don't put a comma after 'mean', the phrase 'I lost'' seems to be associated with 'what'. eg

A: What do you mean I lost?

B: I mean you lost your camera / faith / opportunity / etc.

Best wishes, Clive

  
khoff  #443279  Fri, 16 Nov 07 04:07 PM

Hi Clive -- how about this version:

What do you mean I "lost"?

Tom:   You lost, Bob.

Bob: What do you mean I "lost"?

  
CalifJim  #443368  Fri, 16 Nov 07 08:53 PM
Just a "by the way".  My first and strongest take on it was khoff's.

-- You lost!!!
-- What do you mean (by saying that) I lost?

CJ

  
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