MrPedantic  +  81496 Tue, 15 Mar 05 10:51 PM Hello Paco and Pieanne 'Hybris' seems to have a sense of 'violence' in its earlier appearances (Homer, Herodotus). It keeps that sense of 'grievous bodily harm' as an Attic law term. The sense of 'insolence' or 'arrogance' seems to appear slightly later, with the Attic dramatists. So it looks as if the sense of 'über-dom' is secondary. Also, although Greek 'hyper' (cf. Latin 'super') has a sense of 'above-ness', the similar 'hypo' (cf. Latin 'sub') has a sense of 'under-ness'. Irresponsible Speculation Section On the other hand, all three seem to share a sense of 'beyond-ness': a) hyper: beyond, upwards. b) hypo: beyond, downwards. c) hybris: beyond reason ('reasonable force'?). So perhaps there's something in it. End of ISS Ahem. MrP MrPedantic Joined on Tue, Oct 12 2004 Veteran Member 12,592 ...opella forensis / adducit febris...

	pieanne  +  81574 Wed, 16 Mar 05 08:42 AM I like the "beyond-ness"... pieanne Joined on Thu, Jan 20 2005 South of France ...But I'm Belgian! Veteran Member 7,517 I'm glad to help, but I'm not a native! And please excuse my typos...

	MrPedantic  +  105640 Sun, 05 Jun 05 12:08 AM "Übermensch/Uebermensch". Hitler no doubt lifted the term from the writings of Nietzsche. MrP MrPedantic

	MrPedantic  +  122890 Sun, 31 Jul 05 11:04 PM I think it means 'that works for me', or 'that's fine by me'. I do vaguely recall that 'planer' also means 'to get high', in a narcotic context. MrP MrPedantic

	CalifJim  +  141765 Mon, 26 Sep 05 04:43 AM "hubris" (hu - bris) comes from the IndoEuropean roots ud - gwer (out - heavy).  gwer also evolved into both "brute" and "krieg" (cf. Blitzkieg) by differing routes.  In the former we see the "br" of "hubris". ud is supposed to be the root which evolved into the Greek prefix "hy". "uber" comes from the root uper (over). Since the "u" of hubris came from a different root than the "b", I doubt that "hubris" is related etymologically to "uber". CJ CalifJim Joined on Mon, Aug 2 2004 California Veteran Member 22,463 "There are no facts, only interpretations" - Nietzsche