Teo  +  182965 Sat, 14 Jan 06 03:33 AM What wonder if the effort demanded by them be the measure of our worth as men What does what wonder mean here? Teo Joined on Tue, Sep 28 2004 Taiwan Contributing Member 1,631 Thank you very much for your reply.

	CalifJim  +  182968 Sat, 14 Jan 06 04:05 AM What is there [to wonder / to be surprised] about if the effort ...? What [wonder / surprise] would there be if the effort ...? Who would [wonder / be surprised / find it unusual] if the effort ...?  (The expected answer here is "No one should wonder if the effort ..." because this is a rhetorical question.) CJ CalifJim Joined on Mon, Aug 2 2004 California Veteran Member 22,379 "There are no facts, only interpretations" - Nietzsche