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elcid  #57818  Sat, 27 Nov 04 04:10 PM
hiii..

whats the difference between
1)beneath their feet
2)under their feet

IS it correct to say
"what is it mean?" and if it is correct could you explain why? because i always use "what does it mean?"
  
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paco2004  #57904  Sun, 28 Nov 04 02:52 AM
Hi El Cid

[Q] Whats the difference between 1)beneath their feet and 2)under their feet?

Angel [A]As an answer to this question I'll quote the description in the OED.
The prepositional use of beneath seems originally to have been introduced to express the general notion of ‘lower than,’ as distinguished from the specific sense of under. But in process of time beneath was so largely used for under, that below was laid hold of to express the more general idea. In ordinary spoken English, under and below now cover the whole field (below tending naturally to overlap the territory of under), leaving beneath more or less as a literary and slightly archaic equivalent of both (in some senses), but especially of under. The only senses in which beneath is preferred are 'unworthy of' (‘beneath contempt’), and figurative uses in the sense of overwhelmed by or subject to (e.g. ‘to fall beneath the assaults of temptation’).


[Q]IS it correct to say "what is it mean?" and if it is correct could you explain why? because i always use "what does it mean?"

Angel [A] You can't say "what is it mean?" "Could you explain why?" is fine.

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CalifJim  #57932  Sun, 28 Nov 04 07:27 AM
"What is it mean" is not correct. Why do you ask?
  
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elcid  #66968  Tue, 11 Jan 05 09:05 AM
hello califjim
thanks for the reply! Actually i heard it somewhere in a mmovie i think and thats why i asked it.
  
CalifJim  #67176  Wed, 12 Jan 05 05:03 AM
I'll bet you did not hear "What is it mean?" No way!

What you heard was "What's it mean?" where "what does" is contracted to "what's" - a contraction only used in very informal situations.

Note that the sound "s" after "what" can have several meanings:

"What's it mean?" 's = does
"What's the address?" 's = is
"What's he done for us lately?" 's = has

Try these: What's he got there? What's he do for a living? What's she done all day? What's Paul seen that made him so afraid? What's her name? What's he call his dog?

OR: You may have heard "Whaddizz it mean?" = "Whad dizz it mean?"The "t" in "what" becomes a "d" in this phonological context. The sound of the "u" in "duzz" (for "does") becomes a neutral vowel (called "schwa") which can sound like the "i" in "is" or the "u" in "duzz" ("does"), or like something in between these two.

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just the truth  #67179  Wed, 12 Jan 05 05:14 AM
What you heard was "What's it mean?" where "what does" is contracted to "what's" - a contraction only used in very informal situations.

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I agree with you wholeheartedly, Jim, it's very common in speech, but I'm not at all certain as to whether there is a contracted form of that is represented by .

This must be yet another example of speech driving language change.
  
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MrPedantic  #67337  Thu, 13 Jan 05 12:13 AM
JT: I'm not at all certain as to whether there is a contracted form of that is represented by .

MrP: Your comment intrigues me, JT. Whence 's, in your view?

  
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just the truth  #67557  Fri, 14 Jan 05 05:58 AM
JT: I'm not at all certain as to whether there is a contracted form of that is represented by .

MrP: Your comment intrigues me, JT. Whence 's, in your view?


My point, Mr P, if I get your drift, was that there is no standard English contracted form for . Yet we know that it exists in casual speech. Moreover, it is used quite often.

What's it do? What's it hold?

As I've mentioned, and this point is often reinforced in other language sources, the rules for formal/written differ from those that drive how we speak.

Really, nothing could be more apparent, yet people often fall into that same old trap of trying to suggest that speech must follow the rules of writing. Some even take this much further, suggesting that rules that aren't even rules for writing have to be followed.

Why do people do this when it doesn't exist? I suggest that it's simply a phonological reduction, a common happenstance in casual speech.
  
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