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Anonymous  #195623  Sat, 11 Feb 06 08:45 PM

When he ----, we ---- a meeting.

A) arrives / have had
B) has arrived / are having
C) arrives / will be having
D) had arrived / had
E) was arriving / had

  
paco2004  #195653  Sat, 11 Feb 06 10:32 PM
C)
  
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Ryanz0r  #195679  Sun, 12 Feb 06 12:23 AM
Indeed, it's C), as "when he arrives" equates to "upon his arrival," signifying that an action is to take place when a certain event occurs. As an example, I could say "signifying that an action is to take place upon the occurrence of a certain event" instead, although that is a little wordy. Wink [;)]
  
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Diamondrg  #195695  Sun, 12 Feb 06 01:37 AM
what about b?
  
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paco2004  #195706  Sun, 12 Feb 06 02:13 AM
 Diamondrg wrote:
what about b?
"When he has arrived" is somehow redundant, but when it is used, it will be followed by a main clause in future tense, in my opinion.

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Teo  #195712  Sun, 12 Feb 06 02:27 AM

 Paco2004 wrote:
 Diamondrg wrote:
what about b?
"When he has arrived" is somehow redundant, but when it is used, it will be followed by a main clause in future tense, in my opinion.

paco

1. *When he has/had arrived, ...

2. When he arrives/arrived, ...

It is not normally possible to use perfect aspect in when-clause, is it?

  
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MrPedantic  #195717  Sun, 12 Feb 06 02:34 AM

Hello Teo

The present or past perfect in a when-clause is fine, e.g.

1. When he has finished sweeping the floor, tell him to clean the windows.

2. When she had eaten all the oysters, he took her upstairs.

MrP

  
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paco2004  #195718  Sun, 12 Feb 06 02:44 AM
I agree with MrP. "When he arrives" is like "on his arrival" and "when he has arrived" is like "anytime after his arrival".

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MrPedantic  #195719  Sun, 12 Feb 06 02:45 AM

Hello Anon

A) When he arrives, we have had a meeting.] This is grammatical, if the context is the present-tense reporting of an action as it happens.

B) When he has arrived, we are having a meeting] I can't find a context in which this would be grammatical.

C) When he arrives, we will be having a meeting.] Fine.

D) When he had arrived, we had a meeting.] This may sound a little odd, with no further context; but I don't think we could call it ungrammatical. If you google on "when he had arrived", you find plenty of literary examples of the same structure.

E) When he was arriving, we had a meeting. ] This seems ok, too, though perhaps a little unusual: the meeting coincided with the time of his arrival.

MrP

  
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