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Anonymous, 1 yr 156 days ago

In the old McGuffy readers from the 1800's the letter W was considered a vowel.

Anonymous, 1 yr 149 days ago

alot is  piece of land, used to build something on (usually) - when used to mean many, it's two words - a lot.

Anonymous, 1 yr 93 days ago
Actually it means the same as "cirque" and is found at the top of a glacial valley not at the bottom of the mountain.   It is cause by glaciation.
Anonymous, 1 yr 81 days ago
The definition you found, as with ALL definitions for words where W is used as a stand alone vowel plainly states that the word is WELSH. The Welsh language has historical ties to English of course, yet it is its own language. W is never used as a stand alone for a vowel in English language and this debate is not new. The reason so many have not and will not be taught it to be a sometimes vowel is because it is controversial teaching. Sources that take a side should expect the controversy. The reason some claim vowel status now is because of the relationship with U, but it never takes a vowel sound or is used for one alone in English language.
Anonymous, 1 yr 71 days ago
I was always taught that "y" and "w" were sometimes vowels - that explained my first name - as it has no "normal" vowels. - Gwyn
Anonymous, 1 yr 64 days ago
AngryAngryAngryAngry mymom does not beleive me but w is a vowel! I'm mad at my mom.
Anonymous, 1 yr 46 days ago

In the '60s we used a grammar booked called Hooked on Phonics [it was blue & had a jet plane on the cover].
It taught there were 5 regular vowels & 2 sometimes vowels.
We learned the rhyme as "A E I O U and sometimes Y and W".
There were also sometimes consonants.
The welsh-borrowed words are not the illustrators, the complete rule refers to words such as "how" and "sky".
But welsh-borrowed words ARE english words, as are all the french and german and.. "borrowed" words people often use.

When I asked an educator in the 90s why the full rull wasn't being taught, the reply was "it's too hard to remember".
Amazing. I had no trouble, and neither did my 63 classmates [or 247 grade-mates].

[It reminds me of the other rhyme rule where the second part is often dropped but should not be:
" i before e
  except after c
  or when sounding like "ay"
   as in neighbor and weigh."
Many times parents have said "eight confuses my child because it doesn't follow the rule".  When I say it does, but the second part, they will say they never heard it.  When the child is taught the full rhyme-rule, the difficulty generally disappears.]

Children can handle this just fine if presented correctly.

It often amazes me that so many "educators" are amazed when young children can relate info about multi-syllabled dinosaurs or plants or astronomical events; or tell children they are wrong when the child presents an unusual fact.
A better response would be "I don't believe that is correct, but I will follow up and let you all know what I learn.", but this rarely occurs.  I recall a music teacher told my then 6-year old son [in front of the class] he was wrong for saying Irish bagpipes were not mouth-blown because everyone knew all bagpipes were mouth-blown.  He brought in pictures to show her and I also spoke to her, but she never corrected the information to the entire class, missing a great teaching opportunity [you are never too old to learn; verify something of which you may not be sure].  However, some of the other students did check it out for themselves... I know because their parents eventually mentioned their research to me.


Too bad many educators feel the need to dumb things down.

Remember- to almost every rule there is an exception.

Will we go back to teaching the sun circles the earth to make it easier?

Don't underestimate the learning capacity of most children.
Anonymous  suggested by cwtch  +  570348 Thu, 25 Sep 08 04:52 PM
I am 44 years old and the vowel "song/ryhme" was always a, e, i, o u sometimes y and w...  I had this exact arugment with my husband last night and he was adiment that there was never the usage of w as a vowel...  but y and w are considered semi-vowels... My neice who is 17 googled and helped me prove him worng...
MissMandy  suggested by cwtch  +  570368 Thu, 25 Sep 08 06:02 PM
This debate really seems to be about two different things, spelling and pronunciation. The letter w (and y) is often used with other vowels (and sometimes alone as well) in spelling to reperesent a vowel sound. In the words hi and by, the letter i and the letter y are representing the same sound.  To add to the confusion, English has many diphthongs, or two-sound vowels. Two-sound vowels often begin or end in a sound very similar to a w sound or y sound. The easiest to here are oy (boy) and ow (cow), which can also be spelled oi (coin) and ou (house). So, it is very clear, that in spelling, w and y are like vowels. Our educators have found it much easier to just tell our kids that those letters are vowels because they are so often part of a vowel sound's spelling, and because we so often hear sounds so similar to them when we speak due to diphthongs and sounds like the oo sound (in the word soon).

However, the one of the linguistic characteristics of vowel sounds (not spellings) is that a syllable will occur when we have a vowel sound. Some of these vowel sounds become very much reduced in the schwa sound, and so we barely say them, but they are still linguistically there. In this reagard, w and y are not vowels, because they do not cause us to add another syllable to a word. We can easily hear that w and y don't create syllables in words that begin with a w or y and are only one syllable long. For instance, the word "way", according to the a-e-i-o-u-and-sometimes-y-and-w rule, has 3 vowels, but it is only one syllable, so, according to the linguists, actually only has one vowel sound, and I doubt any linguist would consider the w or the y to be that sound.

All of these ambiguities are why linguists have created the catagory of "semi-vowel" just for the w sound and y sound. They acknowledge that these letters have some characteristics very similar to vowels, yet not enough to be considered a full-fedged vowel.

It makes sense to me that teachers choose to keep it simple and tell the kids what will make it easier for them to read and spell, no matter what the perfect linguistic categorization of that letter is. A five year old doesn't care that "cow" is spelled with a traditional vowel, and a w, yet is only one syllable long, and learning to read is hard enough that teachers certainly wouldn't bother telling these kids that w and y are semi-vowels. The teachers will do whatever they think makes it easiest to learn.

When I am teaching non-native English speaking adults, I tell them that w and y can represent vowel sounds, but that they are not truly vowels because my students are aware of, and often struggling with, syllables. So if I tell them that w and y are vowels, they will (and do) question why they do not cause the word to have more syllables.  With kids learning to read in a native English speaking environment, it is a completely different learning situation.

All I ask of the confused parents out there is not to tell your kids something different than they are learning in school; it will make things very confusing for them.

That's my two cents' worth.

 

~Miss Mandy 

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