WHEN IS "w" A VOWEL

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Anonymous  #572042  Wed, 01 Oct 08 01:53 AM
I DON'T KNOW WHO IN HEAVENS CAME UP WITH THE CONCEPT THAT "Y" AND NOW "W" ARE VOWELS/SEMI VOWELS. THE ONLY VOWELS ARE: A, E ,I, O, U AND SOMETIMES THE SILENT "H"!!
Y ENDS IN THREE VOWEL SOUNDS: A, E AND I

VOWELS HAVE TO BEGIN A WORD WITH A SPECIFIC VOWEL LETTER: A, E, I, O, U OR SILENT "H
THEY NEED THE ADJECTIVE AN IF THEY ARE USED AS ADJECTIVES OR NOUNS FOR EXAMPLE: AN "EXCITING" CAREER

OR "AN" UMBRELLA

I CAN'T STAND THESE NEO GRAMMARIANS WITH THEIR SOUPED UP KNOWLEDGE OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

AGAIN:  "Y" AND "W" ARE NOT NEVER EVER VOWELS. :(y
  
Anonymous  #572103  Wed, 01 Oct 08 05:28 AM
No one has mentioned the word "Awkward" yet...  I think it's pretty clear that W is sometimes used as a vowel, but so far people have only given examples of where it appears at the end of a word.  Here however (hmm however is another possible example) it's not at the end of a word, but it is being used as a vowel (or so it would appear).
  
Anonymous  #577145  Fri, 17 Oct 08 04:48 AM
In school I have been taught "W" is a vowel,
My parents say it is not,
We've read through ALL OF THESE,
and we are in a great debate.
So... Is it?
Some people say it is, other do not.
This is the great debate, and somebody should bring this up to the schools, its stupid!!!  Hmm
  
AlpheccaStars  #577262  Fri, 17 Oct 08 02:58 PM
 The conventional teaching is that the vowels are AEIOU and sometimes Y.

Y is a consonant in Yet and Yoghurt. It is a vowel in City and Candy.

W  is a consonant in Woman and Wine.

W is part of a diphthong in words like

PAWN, FAWN, FOWL, FEW

My ESL books based on phonics study teach the short vowel sound for 'Y", but W is not taught as an independent vowel letter. It modifies the preceeding vowel sound in some words  to make a new vowel sound.  There are similar lessons on R as in

FARM, BURN, TERN /ur/

 Here are the current definitions:

VOWEL

1.    Phonetics.
a.    (in English articulation) a speech sound produced without occluding, diverting, or obstructing the flow of air from the lungs (opposed to consonant).
b.    (in a syllable) the sound of greatest sonority, as i in grill. Compare consonant (def. 1b).
c.    (in linguistic function) a concept empirically determined as a phonological element in structural contrast with consonant, as the (é) of be (bé), we (wé), and yeast (yést).
2.    a letter representing or usually representing a vowel, as, in English, a, e, i, o, u, and sometimes w and y.

CONSONANT
1.    Phonetics.
a.    (in English articulation) a speech sound produced by occluding with or without releasing (p, b; t, d; k, g), diverting (m, n, ng), or obstructing (f, v; s, z, etc.) the flow of air from the lungs (opposed to vowel).
b.    (in a syllable) any sound other than the sound of greatest sonority in the syllable, as b, r, and g in brig (opposed to sonant). Compare vowel (def. 1b).
c.    (in linguistic function) a concept empirically determined as a phonological element in structural contrast with vowel, as the b of be, the w of we, the y, s, and t of yeast, etc.

  
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Anonymous  #577676  Sat, 18 Oct 08 10:24 PM
  Historically, English is a Germanic Language.  The 'W' graph in Germanic languages is usually pronouced like a 'V', as in Volkswagen (phonetically 'foksvagen').   So originally it was like a consonant.  Phonetically in English. 'W' represents a rounding of the lips before, between, or after a vowel.  Try pronouncing words like 'wake' without the W. Then round your lips and say it again.  You get 'oo-ake'.  So there is really not much to a 'w' in English.   Phonetically, you might say it is not a vowel or a consonant in English.  It's a marker for lip rounding.  Does the clear things up? (*-)) Thinking
  
Anonymous  #578504  Tue, 21 Oct 08 04:55 AM
Can you give an example of a word that uses Y or W as a vowel?
  
Anonymous  #581558  Wed, 29 Oct 08 10:18 PM
Lynn
Cyd
Try
Why
  
AlpheccaStars  #581563  Wed, 29 Oct 08 10:54 PM
Anonymous
Can you give an example of a word that uses Y or W as a vowel?

 

I teach that Y is a vowel sometimes. 

Hungry; Angry, etc.

W is not an independent vowel, however, it does change the vowel sound when used together with vowels a, e, and o.

a - awl; paw

e - chew, few, newt, new, hewn

o =  owl; down;

 etc.

  
Anonymous  #588024  Sun, 16 Nov 08 07:16 AM

You completely misread his comment...


~"it doesn't change the pronunciation at all. this is where w WOULD be considered a vowel."


He's saying that's when W is tacked on, and doesn't change the word, thats when it's a vowel.

All the word's you listed, it is NOT a vowel. because it does change the word... please read things twice before posting.

  
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