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Muayad Jajo  +  207948 Tue, 21 Mar 06 12:33 AM

An online article says that there is a Swahili saying that goes: “When two elephants fight, the grass suffers; and, when the same two elephants make love, the grass also suffers.”

The saying is used to refer to the suffering of a feeble or helpless country when two superpowers engage in warfare or amity.

My question I: is it really Swahili?

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davkett, 3 yr 248 days ago

Do you have reason to believe that its origin is otherwise?

Clive  +  208021 Tue, 21 Mar 06 07:00 AM

Hi,

I googled 'When two elephants fight' + Swahili, and got 84 hits, including this comment from

www.project-syndicate.org/ article_print_text?mid=1168&lang

Because the thousand-year-old city of Mombasa historically had a superb natural harbor, it was fought over many times--by Arabs, the Portuguese, Zanzibaris, the Mazrui, the British, and others. There was a time when it was called "Mvita," the Isle of War. Even now, the Swahili dialect of Mombasa is called Ki-mvita, and its people coined the proverb "Ndovu wawili wakipigana, ziumiazo na nyasi" [When two elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers].

Best wishes, Clive

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Anonymous, 1 yr ago
I'm not sure of the origin, but I know the saying is used in the Republic of the Congo. In addition to the meaning you gave (also accurate), it is used to refer to the suffering of the people when their local governments engage in warfare or ally themselves.

Again though, as far as the origin goes, I'm not completely sure. Although given a lot of the suffering in most African countries caused by this similar source ("commercial colonialism" and the trouble it brings through warfare and affiliations) it is probably used throughout most of the continent.
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