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Taka  #545979  Thu, 24 Jul 08 06:44 PM
In an extreme case, where a town was crowded with a whole bunch of clones, there would be practical problems.

About 'where' above, grammatically, is it a relative adverb modifying 'an extreme case', or a conjunction?

  
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Grammar Geek  #545980  Thu, 24 Jul 08 06:48 PM

In this case, I read it as "in which."

In an extreme case, a case in which a town was...

  
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Taka  #545984  Thu, 24 Jul 08 07:01 PM
 If it's a relative adverb, as you say, shouldn't it be the restrictive instead in this case?

 

In an extreme case where...

  
Avangi  #545989  Thu, 24 Jul 08 08:00 PM
It seems to me that the relative adverb and the prepositional phrase with the relative pronoun as object (in which) are completely interchangeable here.  But "where" is clearly not a conjunction.

I think "in which" is more common.  I think of "where" in explaining formulae,  "f = ma, where f is the applied force etc."

GG's point was that your "relative adverb where" is not refering to a noun of place as it should, but to a case, which it should not.  "In which" is the correct choice.

You may say, "In a town where a case was pending,".  You may not say, "In a case where a town was abandoned,".  A case is not a place.
  
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Taka  #545992  Thu, 24 Jul 08 08:15 PM
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I But "where" is clearly not a conjunction.

Is it really that obvious?

This would still make sense, wouldn't it?

Where a town was crowded with a whole bunch of clones, which is an extreme case, there would be practical problems. 

Anyway that is not what I really wondering about.

I first thought it might be a relative adverb, but if it was so, I thought it should be the restrictive (i.e. the one without a comma in front). Don't you think the non-restrictive is kind of strange here?

  
Avangi  #546008  Thu, 24 Jul 08 09:04 PM
I agree with you about the comma.  You're modifying the case on both ends. If you take away the "extreme," the comma goes away.  "In a case where a town was crowded etc."

If you wish to keep the "extreme," I think you'd need to say, "In an extreme case, one where a town was crowded etc."  (Notice that GG repeated "a case" in her example.)

I was leaning toward saying the "where" is incorrect, and must be replaced with "in which," but now I'm not so sure about it. I'm either in over my head or much too tired or both.  Thanks for your patience.

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