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Anonymous
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Wed, 18 Jan 06 09:48 PM
Where is the direct object in the transitive sentence below?
"These agents are trained to kill."
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Clive
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Wed, 18 Jan 06 11:21 PM
Hi,
Where is the direct object in the transitive sentence below?
"These agents are trained to kill
There isn't one. It's not a transitive sentence. Consider 'The window is broken'.
best wishes, Clive
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milky
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Thu, 19 Jan 06 01:19 AM
 Clive wrote: | |
Hi,
Where is the direct object in the transitive sentence below?
"These agents are trained to kill
There isn't one. It's not a transitive sentence. Consider 'The window is broken'.
best wishes, Clive
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It is an objectless transitive, Clive.
Similar examples:
Eve insisted: Adam ate.
Orson Welles ate, drank and smoked too much.
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milky
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Thu, 19 Jan 06 01:32 AM
| Anonymous wrote: | |
Where is the direct object in the transitive sentence below?
"These agents are trained to kill."
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It's an objectless transitive.
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CalifJim
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Thu, 19 Jan 06 03:10 AM
There is no such thing as a transitive sentence.
Verbs are transitive or intransitive, not sentences.
"to train" is a transitive verb. As such, it can be used both in active and in passive sentences.
The sample sentence illustrates a transitive verb used in a passive sentence (i.e., a sentence in the passive voice).
In the active counterpart "Someone trained these agents to kill", agents
is the direct object. But sentences in the passive voice do not
have direct objects because the direct object from the active sentence
has been used as the subject of the passive sentence.
CJ
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milky
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Thu, 19 Jan 06 08:38 AM
| CalifJim wrote: | There is no such thing as a transitive sentence.
Verbs are transitive or intransitive, not sentences.
"to train" is a transitive verb. As such, it can be used both in active and in passive sentences.
The sample sentence illustrates a transitive verb used in a passive sentence (i.e., a sentence in the passive voice).
In the active counterpart "Someone trained these agents to kill", agents is the direct object. But sentences in the passive voice do not have direct objects because the direct object from the active sentence has been used as the subject of the passive sentence.
CJ
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I think the questioner was speaking casually when he/she used the term "transitive sentence". It's like a "present perfect sentence", a "conditional sentence", etc. We all know what is meant.
Could you tell me how you know that the sentence in question has a missing agent and not a missing object?
You: These agents are trained to kill (by...).
Other possiblities (objectless transitive): These agents are trained to kill (defectors, cockroaches, poachers, deer).
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Clive
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Thu, 19 Jan 06 10:51 PM
Hi,
These agents are trained to kill.
I'd like to add a comment. If the sentence were 'These agents are trained to kill every year' , ie a repeated process, I would see it as more meaningful to look at this as a passive sentence. However, in the original example, I think the best way to look at it is simply that the past participle is used as an adjective describing an ongoing state. It's similar to saying 'These agents are French'.
When you look at it this way, it's clear that there is no object, or agent, involved.
Best wishes, Clive
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milky
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Thu, 19 Jan 06 11:23 PM
| Clive wrote: | |
Hi,
These agents are trained to kill.
I'd like to add a comment. If the sentence were 'These agents are trained to kill every year' , ie a repeated process, I would see it as more meaningful to look at this as a passive sentence. However, in the original example, I think the best way to look at it is simply that the past participle is used as an adjective describing an ongoing state. It's similar to saying 'These agents are French'.
When you look at it this way, it's clear that there is no object, or agent, involved.
Best wishes, Clive
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That of course is another way of looking at it. Like "the road was closed by the police" and "the road was closed".
So now we have three ways of looking at it:
1. A sentence containing an objectless transitive verb.
2. A passive construction.
3. A construction with an adjectival phrase, "trained to kill".
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MrPedantic
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Fri, 20 Jan 06 01:45 AM
Perhaps we should redefine "intransitive verb" as "a verb that must have an agent"; and "transitive verb" as "a verb that must have a patient"...
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